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and three two one go

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welcome to task force Griffin on kgr

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radio KGA radio.com your connection is

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secure and this transmission is now

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online your most humble and blessed Oh

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schematic Cobra once again talking and

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to use some lucky folks video streaming

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to you with the thanks and Bill

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skywatcher and we're talking to the

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greatest audience on the planet as I

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said Bill's on the wing please look at

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the man behind the curtain who makes all

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the magic work he is producing an

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engineering and he has looped in another

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service tonight we are set for another

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outstanding broadcast I'm very pleased

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to tell you that this was another one of

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those great things they got put together

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by the guests and the producer and your

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host had nothing else nothing to really

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do with it except to show up and try to

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be ready we're going to dedicate

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tonight's show it's gonna be to two

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people it's the family of Alfie the

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young baby that passed away in Britain

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I'm not concerned about the the politics

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I just would like to extend condolences

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that's going to be some of the toughest

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and emotional driving things that could

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possibly happen it was in the news and

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it's it's sad and I all of task force

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Griffin and the family that we are sends

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condolences and equally sad since my

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guest is from Maine tonight like myself

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we had a tragic law enforcement event

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this week it's touched all of us we have

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not lost a an officer of the law in the

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line of duty in 30 years Somerset County

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corporal

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Eugene Cole was killed in the process of

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apprehending a and responding to a call

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this past week to his family and to his

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community in his County the citizens of

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his County he was by all reports dearly

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loved dearly respected and an important

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part of his community

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so to do both of those families and the

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greater connection of folks our deepest

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sympathy is extended with that said

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tonight the other Wallace brother Martin

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Wallace is with us tonight I say that

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Martin because Dan Wallace has been on

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with me a couple times and when I told

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bill that no no Martin's coming on he

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goes Martin I don't know who Martin is

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and then then he realized what I was

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talking about oh that yeah no the other

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Willis is gonna be on and then we got

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the right weekend set up Martin you are

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a fellow Manor and you are also one of

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the most prolific folks that works on

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video and podcasting and having the

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YouTube channel I've been greatly

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impressed with the stuff that you've

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done and you have a lot of facets that

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we hopefully will talk about tonight

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well thank you welcome to task force

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Griffin and the great audience I will

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warn the audience as you can tell if

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you're watching the video I'm a little

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bit more encumbered tonight so that

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could have a visual appearance I worked

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very hard to set up the the staging

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behind me and if I'll just move my

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shoulder here you'll see the alien

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holding the skull and the Cobra skeleton

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so that's all been done now all the

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props have been seen Martin how did you

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get started in the work that you do well

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as far as podcasting goes I started a

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podcast back in 2009 I had a connection

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with a guy that he was on the man show

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years ago Adam Carolla

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just had talked to him a couple of times

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and he his radio station basically went

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down where he was broadcasting in the

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morning and I was out in California and

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he started doing podcasting and I said

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well if he can do it I'll try it so I

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tried doing some antique work and

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actually it was pretty successful that's

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still going on going now

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and so that's how I started podcasting

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now in 2000 2006 I was actually working

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in the antiques field that I'm in

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antiques and fine art

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I was actually at Merv Griffin's I was

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working on his estate and I was saying

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in Carmel Valley he had a house in

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Carmel Valley I was staying there and I

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had a sighting I've always had kind of

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an interest and well I've had a fast

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interest in like space and science and

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all that but and we had a flap in Maine

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years ago when I was growing up and I

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remember like looking for UFOs when I

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was a kid but then it never really

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crossed my mind much I was actually

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sitting in a hot tub I was not drinking

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and all the Legislature would clarify

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the evidence chain of evidence here you

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are in a hot tub in California that's

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right and then you were known Oh golly I

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was not trained you were not drinking

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yes I know that's I think that's against

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the local ordinance there but please

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continue for those that are listening

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well something caught my eye it was

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Twilight it was like 8:30 or something

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like that something caught my eye

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overhead so I just looked up and I

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watched and I just you know if I had a

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camera next to me I would have never

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thought to use it I got to tell you that

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because it was I was just struck by the

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moment and the thing that fascinated me

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the most when I saw this it was like a

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disk perfectly shaped disc like the size

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of a quarter held at arm's length I

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guess that's the best way to put it

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and I was thinking it was maybe a couple

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thousand feet high but it was all

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guessing it had a bluish glow over the

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entire object and it moved in a straight

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line over me and I just remember sitting

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there and being baffled because there

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was no sound I mean that's the first

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thing I thought of like I'm seeing this

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thing move and there's absolutely no

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sound then it stopped dead stopped and

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it then it veered off toward Carmel

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Monterey and so I jumped out of the hot

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tub and I ran inside and I got on the

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phone I didn't know who to call I never

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thought of anything online at the time

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so I got in touch with the I think it

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was the Monterey I may be getting Carmel

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and Monterey confused I think

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was a Monterey Police Department it was

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a female desk dispatcher and she was

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sarcastic and then I said no I'd like to

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you know I'd like to repo how do I

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report this I didn't know how to report

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it so she put me on hold and I waited

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for about 15 minutes and I got

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discouraged and I hung up and that was

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kind of like the end of it so I went

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into it wasn't a spectacular sighting

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but it was a sighting and it certainly

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rocked my boat on what I thought about

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the whole situation I went inside I'm

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sitting inside and I'm thinking Who am I

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gonna tell about this to tell this to

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and I couldn't think of you know it

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really never crossed my mind to go

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online so at work the following week I

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had kind of a close person I was working

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with I was basically mentoring her and I

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said please don't tell anyone but I have

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to tell you what happened this weekend

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and I told her and it wasn't maybe a

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week later that everyone there was

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teasing me you know so it got around

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pretty fast so you know I find I just

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never talked about it years went by and

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worm from and I was on a I was doing

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some actually some podcast with

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comedians that I knew in California and

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met them and I was running that for a

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while and I told I was on someone else's

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show and I told they said what's the

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weirdest thing that ever happened to you

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so I told of the UFO experience

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basically and the guy was really funny

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who said well how was the probing going

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and you know did you see you know and

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all that stuff you know he's really

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teasing me and then I think you could

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have said that though just on any trip

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to California but that's my own personal

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bias living out there yeah so anyway he

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he called me a few weeks later and he

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said you know what he said this show he

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did like this keyword search and what

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what people were landing on he said it

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was UFOs he said we were talking about

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UFOs and had a lot of traffic on this

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particular podcast and and so I thought

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about it I said wow you know I think

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doing a show on UFOs would be pretty

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interesting I don't know anything about

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them so I looked on you to if I started

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doing some reading then I contacted

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first person I contacted with Stan

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Freedman I didn't hear from him then I

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contacted oh I can't remember how many

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other people and finally Steve Bassett I

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contacted him and he said sure and I

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said well I've never had a show on UFOs

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before and it's really bad my first show

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was really bad I have to tell you so and

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then Bill Byrne yeah when you go back to

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the archives on this one we can compare

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notes but uh so it kind of just

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snowballed from there and I have a

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listener Scott who was I don't know how

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we found my show but like the second

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show you know brand-new website some put

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it on iTunes I think that's probably how

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we found it so it's been going on it's

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coming up I think this week this week is

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the 300th show that we have coming up

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coming up on in tremendous show that you

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put together well thank you I have a lot

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of fun and I think it's I think that's

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important to just have fun and enjoy it

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and listen to what people's ideas up you

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know no one really has any if there some

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people have been on my show think they

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do have an answer but I beg to differ as

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a matter of fact the saying is if

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someone tells you they know what a UFO

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is run the other way you know and I

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think that's not a bad idea so we should

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probably mention how you and I got

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together we have a mutual friend

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Melanie write that as your show and my

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show playing in her shop and she's a

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fellow Manor as well and she started to

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put you and I on email Jane trying to

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convince you to come on to the show then

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you were on with Mac Maloney's military

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x-files the one week of that month that

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I was not on the show so when I called

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you and we were starting yeah but I've

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already been on your show and I said I

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was on previously when you were on there

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yeah mm-hmm so we showed up to Melanie

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for setting this up and getting us all

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together and connecting us up

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yeah just before we move on I'm looking

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at what you're wearing it is that hard I

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haven't a heart I mean that looks heavy

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is it is it heavy

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something like this yeah so this is this

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last part of my military flying career

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and then I actually used this same

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helmet when I was in Iraq and if you

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look at this little piece they have my

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hand on right here this is where the

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NVGs would hook on to and then they can

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flip up and down depending on how you

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need to fly it so that would be an extra

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couple pounds of gear here and some

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wires and then on the backside is a

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battery pack and some other kit that

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goes with it and then you strap it all

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on yeah my wife sometimes my wife comes

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in on the show and I wonder tonight if

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she did you know she be prepared you're

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gonna be on a million screens across the

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globe when people are watching cuz

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Martin's got a pretty big following and

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she goes well I won't be coming in

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tonight I see she do is put the alien

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mask on come in and bring me a cup of

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tea maybe the next time we'll do that

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know one of our other audience members

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they do want to say hi to is Susan she

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actually visited this week she came out

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to what we call Wolf Moon farm where my

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wife and I live with the the critters

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the animals and we had a great visit and

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was wonderful to finally have her she's

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got some family she travels between

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North Carolina and in here and she's

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very good friends with Mary Joyce who I

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think you have saucers over the cashiers

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is her site and she's been and she's a

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frequent guest on task force group and

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she's a it's a wonderful group of ladies

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there that we have worked with so you

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have this first experience it kind of

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lights the fire I think you're very

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fortunate because I've always wanted to

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i'm jealous cuz i would have liked to

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have had the experience i have not have

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not had the everything I have seen I've

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been able to explain and it was usually

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something connected with the project and

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I don't even think there's anything that

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I could say was reversed engineered or

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came from any other source but something

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like the skunk works or some other part

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of the military or aerospace world that

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had put it together

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but I'm I'm always ready I've been in

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some of the loneliest parts of the globe

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by myself I saw I was a prime candidate

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so I guess because if you want to it's

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not gonna happen what have you seen

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since then I haven't seen anything

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really that you know the one thing I do

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have to say I saw in Cape Elizabeth

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Maine and I didn't really want to talk

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about it because I was thinking you know

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what are the odds that I'm actually

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gonna have two sightings I thought I was

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seeing the International Space Station

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because it was large and it was kind of

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moving in a straight line and then I

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went to film it and I could have sworn

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it jagd over but you know I'm saying it

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was probably something like that

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most likely and I've seen many

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satellites in it it was much bigger it

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was whatever it was but I think that's

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about it but I do have I do have a very

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interesting story to tell you what

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happened during one of my shows was I at

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one time I was in another I was living

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in a condo on a golf course in Cape

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Elizabeth Maine and during my show my

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neighbor tried to knock on my door and I

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talked to her a few days later and she

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said I tried to knock on your door in

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the other night and I said when and she

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didn't she said Wednesday night or

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whatever whenever I was doing my show at

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the time and I said oh yeah I was busy

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so she said this weird thing came over

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the golf course she said it looked like

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a triangle with lights and it did it

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just like sweep trite over the golf

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course it said you've got to be kidding

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me

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so while I was having my show this thing

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was right outside my door I didn't see

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it so I asked her I said would you

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please come on my show and talk about

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that and she said no and I don't believe

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in UFOs I told her I did a show and been

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you know ever since then she kind of

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avoided me but she wouldn't come on even

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a NAM anonymously and talk about it she

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was just didn't want anything to do with

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the subject and I think that is the

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problem that a lot of people encounter

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when they want to talk about what

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they've seen but she was willing to

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share it with you but not right

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to talk to me further than that yeah

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yeah well I guess the public thing I

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understand I think a lot of folks are

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probably still think there's a certain

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stigma attached to it and we're gonna

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delve into that in the next blocks as

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we've worked through on the show it's a

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special night for us because of the

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YouTube side of it we really don't have

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a break

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that's right I'm gonna have to like duck

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away and and drop to the floor and do

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some kind of a crawl if I have to use

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the take a bathroom break in there but

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I'm ready because I'm used to sitting in

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the seat for a couple hours and and

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going so I'm all set but you now you

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must have had some compelling I mean

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some of the pods that I've listened to

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that you put out you have had some

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interesting interactions with people

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that are relating their experience to

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you and you seem to react to it in a in

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a very human emotional way what are the

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memorable ones that you've dealt with

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well I think I would have to say one of

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the most memorable memorable shows that

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I did was with Psalm acidic she was one

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of these 62 children that were at the

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Arial school and had the Arial school

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encounter that that show in particular

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just ran chills up my spine when I was

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talking to her because first of all it's

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an amazing case I happened in I want to

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say 1994 or 1995 so she's in her 20s now

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and all these students you know it was

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such a bizarre situation because all

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these students saw 62 children saw this

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Kraft land and these beings come out and

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they seem to see some people seem to see

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something a little different it was kind

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of unusual and for instance when the

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being was walking it looked like was

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floating some people said that and her

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in particular said no but she she was

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only within four feet of this being

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whatever

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and she described it and she said its

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face was like almost like porcelain like

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no expression and you know that

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particular encounter you know a lot of

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these kids had you know telepathic

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thoughts that and a lot of it had to do

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with you know maintaining the planet and

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you know taking care of the planet she

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in particular didn't but her story was

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just absolutely incredible that really

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that was I would say that that was my

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favorite show of all time now I've

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talked to a lot of different people that

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either have had encounters and you talk

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about yourself never having an encounter

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and there are people like Stan Freedman

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you know he's never had a single

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encounter Steve Bassett I mentioned was

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the first person on my show has never

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had an encounter but they know there's

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something going on and they're they're

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dedicating themselves to looking into it

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which which is actually pretty

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refreshing if you really think about it

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someone that's never had an encounter

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invest all their time and thoughts in it

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and they're doing a pretty good you know

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straightforward look into it have you

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had anybody that you just don't know

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thought was full of it for lack of a

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better term it's hoping you wouldn't ask

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that question yes I've had I've had a

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few people on I had one sort of recently

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and so I don't want to name names sure

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but I've had you know people that are

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saying they've I had one person that was

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saying that you know he's been on Venus

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so I I don't really buy that but you

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know I let them say what they will and

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you know it's the audience that will

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certainly comment you know do get a lot

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of that well we're starting to work up

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towards our first break and one of my

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most dedicated listeners who gives me a

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really pretty decent hard time

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from New Hampshire that I'll explain

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everything for you and I being from

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Maine I think he wants me to have papers

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when I cross the border into New

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Hampshire he kept asking about floats

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and he says it's it's a main staple and

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that we should know what that is does

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that mean yes it does for all things

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louis howe once again yeah flows hot

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dogs in on Route one in York Maine has

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been there for I don't know how many

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decades maybe seven decades or something

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like that and it's just basically hot

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dogs it's always packed and it's because

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they have this special type of relish

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that is really really good you could

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throw the hot dog away and just eat the

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relish but I mean it's it's a it's

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really good so well you're lucky I

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actually have invite floats live I've

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never had one of the hot dogs nor the

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relish I do see you're right again and

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we've got that all taken out before I'm

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not all taking care of going into the on

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this first section the show that's

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excellent when we talked about guests

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have you had to work hard to get people

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to want to come on your show you know

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that's uh that's what I found real

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amazing

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you know I've it was hard when I was

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doing a show with comedians I was trying

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to get some good names on there

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this was the shows not even up anymore I

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mean the podcast site is gone but I did

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have you know Jen Kirkman and Paul

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Gilmartin and a number of people on the

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show that was really tough and the UFO

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field I found right from the get-go that

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it was fairly easy people want to talk

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about it so I would say that getting

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guests on the UFO show and now that it's

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established is is pretty easy and I have

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you know booked out to the end of May

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sometimes I've actually had you know

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people bail at the last minute and you

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know had to scramble so that does happen

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occasionally but it's actually it's

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actually pretty good and actually really

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great people I've had fun interesting

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and a whole variety

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all right well let's plug your show and

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the time that it that comes up now as we

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go to the first break and we'll pick it

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up in about three or four minutes all

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right so it's podcast UFO and it's every

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Wednesday and it's at 8:00 - I'm sorry

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got 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Eastern Standard

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Time podcast UFO it is I enjoy it I

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actually have do not get a chance very

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often to catch it live and I enjoy

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putting it on much like Melanie our

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mutual friend that brought us together

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I guess our parole officer that's when

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she's going to be serving us tonight we

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it's great to have in the background

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because you you do a show that you don't

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have to see it and of course then you'll

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say something and you want to go right

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to the screen and go okay I got to see

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the facial expressions when that was

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said and I won't embarrass anybody with

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some of the stuff that has happened but

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there have been moments where I've said

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I've got to figure out I got see what

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these people's faces look like when they

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said that's this I've got to get that

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mic I'm gonna get my connection here to

537
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:24,590
make sure I get it well okay folks

538
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you're listening a task force Griffin on

539
00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:29,720
kgr radio KGA REO calm my special guest

540
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:34,580
tonight Martin Wallace podcast UFO a man

541
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:35,840
of many talents and we're going to

542
00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:38,060
explore those as we get as we come back

543
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:39,950
on the other side and we're very

544
00:23:44,650 --> 00:23:42,290
fortunate to have Martin as well as

545
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,660
through his office's being able to put

546
00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:47,600
this on a youtube channel as well please

547
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:52,790
return we'll be right back clear thank

548
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:53,290
you

549
00:23:57,970 --> 00:23:55,370
all right so we're clear but we're not

550
00:23:59,380 --> 00:23:57,980
clear on on you know that's right we're

551
00:24:02,770 --> 00:23:59,390
clear but we're not clear on YouTube

552
00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:02,780
yeah so no swearing oh you know Martin

553
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:03,830
you know what you do should flip the

554
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:05,510
script on him and you should ask him the

555
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:07,450
same kind of questions he was asking you

556
00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:11,690
if he does that now bill then when he

557
00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:13,340
calls me when one of his guests drops

558
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:16,670
out then I will not play the game see he

559
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,310
knows that I'm in the oh I mean I'm in

560
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,440
the oh column to him that's you know I'm

561
00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:23,840
in his book after coming on tonight

562
00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:28,100
that's fine okay and I can get home on a

563
00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:29,480
Wednesday night I'll do it

564
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:33,070
I was looking through the chat room and

565
00:24:39,610 --> 00:24:35,870
someone says you look great commander

566
00:24:42,250 --> 00:24:39,620
and so anyone actually what do we have a

567
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,260
couple minutes yep Oh someone wants to

568
00:24:46,690 --> 00:24:44,000
know why you're wearing the helmet so go

569
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:46,700
ahead and answer that well the helmet is

570
00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:48,650
to protect my identity what started out

571
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:51,740
as part of to give certain people that I

572
00:24:58,539 --> 00:24:56,570
was contracting for some space to have a

573
00:25:02,140 --> 00:24:58,549
guy who talks about the things like talk

574
00:25:04,780 --> 00:25:02,150
about and some of the things that I was

575
00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:04,790
involved in and on the show outside of

576
00:25:09,789 --> 00:25:07,400
the show on my other work believe it or

577
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:09,799
not unlike Martin I have to have a

578
00:25:14,409 --> 00:25:12,080
couple other full-time jobs to to keep

579
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:14,419
things rolling I'm not Martin's the one

580
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:16,610
that's making all the the large big

581
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:19,070
dollars in Maine in podcasts you can

582
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:20,330
just look at his face in the ocean

583
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:23,150
camera right now it's there so yeah yeah

584
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:25,370
that's the reason why well now it's

585
00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:27,830
become part of the brand a few folks in

586
00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:29,960
fact two that are in the chat room have

587
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,780
actually met me without the helmet on

588
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:35,600
and they've met mrs. Cobra and although

589
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,370
I sometimes refer to her being an alien

590
00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:39,679
she's not she's actually just from Idaho

591
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:42,230
but two folks in New England that's kind

592
00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:45,110
of like being an alien so that's that's

593
00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:46,790
the background so the helmet helps

594
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:50,270
protect my identity someday they'll

595
00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:51,890
probably a coming-out party you know

596
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:53,540
I'll have to I'll have to break with it

597
00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:55,850
the disappointment will be huge for most

598
00:26:00,430 --> 00:25:57,380
folks when they finally do see what I

599
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,440
look like now you say you're actually

600
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:02,270
protecting your identity because of some

601
00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:04,010
work that you're doing and you're well

602
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:05,900
that and the people that I do work for

603
00:26:11,169 --> 00:26:07,880
some of the the contractors they do work

604
00:26:16,539 --> 00:26:11,179
for they would hate to see my real name

605
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:16,549
show up and and connected to it and now

606
00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:18,410
that that most of that work has really

607
00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:22,280
really slipped to to very little but

608
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:23,720
some of the projects that I've worked on

609
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:26,210
over the last 14 or so years since I

610
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:28,910
retired I was still very deep now most

611
00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:30,950
folks knew I would tell them about the

612
00:26:34,539 --> 00:26:32,750
show and many of them listened to it and

613
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,549
I would try to throw some kind of small

614
00:26:38,919 --> 00:26:37,520
plug in during the the broadcast that

615
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,929
would identify them and note note

616
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:40,400
sometimes I would talk about the testing

617
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,070
I was with this mic

618
00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:45,200
is a gift from Mack Maloney who got me

619
00:26:50,169 --> 00:26:47,000
started in this you know Mack very well

620
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:50,179
yeah and Mack got me this Yeti mic and

621
00:26:53,769 --> 00:26:52,070
this mic has been all over the United

622
00:26:57,159 --> 00:26:53,779
States it's been in my helmet bag it's

623
00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:57,169
been in hotel rooms general yeah I don't

624
00:27:06,610 --> 00:26:59,090
interrupt but we're coming back from the

625
00:27:10,749 --> 00:27:06,620
break in about five seconds copy in

626
00:27:13,149 --> 00:27:10,759
three two one go welcome back to task

627
00:27:14,769 --> 00:27:13,159
force Griffin on kgr radio KJR intercom

628
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:14,779
talking to the greatest audience on the

629
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,730
planet my guest tonight mr. Martin

630
00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:20,000
Willis from Maine a fellow maniac off

631
00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:22,389
air for those of you that are not

632
00:27:28,060 --> 00:27:25,279
delving into the YouTube side of this

633
00:27:29,409 --> 00:27:28,070
Martin asked me he was reading because

634
00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:29,419
he's checking the chat room he's

635
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:31,100
clandestinely watching what's going on

636
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:34,190
in there so that he can control the

637
00:27:38,049 --> 00:27:35,600
numbers I think to make sure things are

638
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,059
working and why am I wearing the helmet

639
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:39,919
I didn't want to say that I was wearing

640
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:42,049
the helmet because it's not that

641
00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:43,820
good-looking of a person and the helmet

642
00:27:49,930 --> 00:27:47,000
helps keep the audience intrigued that's

643
00:27:53,049 --> 00:27:49,940
part of it the other part was explained

644
00:27:56,499 --> 00:27:53,059
to Martin was the kind of the work that

645
00:28:00,159 --> 00:27:56,509
I did not revealing my identity has been

646
00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:00,169
was useful to help keep separation with

647
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:02,149
some of the projects I was working on

648
00:28:07,509 --> 00:28:04,730
I've never ever released anything is

649
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:07,519
unbound on my security clearance that I

650
00:28:10,899 --> 00:28:09,590
wasn't supposed to release but things

651
00:28:12,909 --> 00:28:10,909
that I could talk about are things that

652
00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:12,919
I did encounter I'm pretty Frank as you

653
00:28:17,379 --> 00:28:14,600
know I've from the past that we've

654
00:28:21,730 --> 00:28:17,389
talked but now it's kind of a brand

655
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:21,740
thing I'm a big fan of Iran so I guess

656
00:28:25,509 --> 00:28:23,480
this is my version of John Galt you know

657
00:28:28,749 --> 00:28:25,519
who is commander Cobra so there you go

658
00:28:31,389 --> 00:28:28,759
now isn't isn't commander commander

659
00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:31,399
Cobra like a fictional character right

660
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,789
yeah Cobra is a fictional character out

661
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:36,320
of the GI Joe series

662
00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:39,289
he was the commander Cobras unique brand

663
00:28:48,249 --> 00:28:45,559
and we can it reflects my callsign from

664
00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:48,259
my military flying and the rank that I

665
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:49,759
retired at so I've retired as a

666
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:52,010
commander it started out on Mac show as

667
00:28:55,810 --> 00:28:53,690
commander X and apparently there's a guy

668
00:28:56,980 --> 00:28:55,820
that has commander X trademarked and he

669
00:28:58,530 --> 00:28:56,990
got in touch with us to let us

670
00:29:00,940 --> 00:28:58,540
know that he did not appreciate

671
00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:00,950
commander X being used anymore because

672
00:29:07,419 --> 00:29:03,260
with Mack everything is a genetics

673
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:07,429
commander X friend X reporter X and I

674
00:29:10,419 --> 00:29:08,870
think that's because it was just easier

675
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,429
for us to get through it and we you know

676
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:12,320
everyone kind of liked it the commander

677
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:15,050
Cobra thing is how we were able to fix

678
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:20,330
it oh I see I see well we were talking

679
00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:22,370
you know a little bit you were talking a

680
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:24,800
little bit about you know why you kind

681
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:27,350
of want to hide your identity and you

682
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:29,900
know I actually there was kind of a

683
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:32,450
rumor now I don't really know if that's

684
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:34,850
true or not but I think I may have lost

685
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:39,110
a job because I do this show and the job

686
00:29:44,410 --> 00:29:41,809
I had at the time was probably one of

687
00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:44,420
the best part-time jobs a person could

688
00:29:50,110 --> 00:29:47,320
have I mean it was it was just amazing

689
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:50,120
so in the in the antiques and fine arts

690
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,290
it was actually in the auction business

691
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:54,320
for a big auction company mmm and it was

692
00:29:59,169 --> 00:29:57,290
just a wonderful job and all of a sudden

693
00:30:00,880 --> 00:29:59,179
it was like they said well there's not

694
00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:00,890
enough business in this area and you

695
00:30:07,570 --> 00:30:03,110
know we're gonna have to let you go and

696
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:07,580
I've never been let go ever and then one

697
00:30:11,530 --> 00:30:08,900
of the people that worked at this

698
00:30:13,630 --> 00:30:11,540
company said maybe you ought to be a

699
00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:13,640
little bit careful about your UFO show

700
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:15,470
and mixing it you know being in the

701
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:17,960
antique business so I kind of took that

702
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:22,040
as a hint that's possibly why my job is

703
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:23,570
terminated now I don't know if it I

704
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:27,050
can't prove it but that's that's a

705
00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:29,210
possibility which is kind of a shame I

706
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:31,070
think and I don't think that's going to

707
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,240
happen as much now since there's a

708
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:37,760
little more publicity about the UFO you

709
00:30:42,669 --> 00:30:39,110
know search that our government actually

710
00:30:44,980 --> 00:30:42,679
was taking it serious it has a few times

711
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,990
but I mean more recently this New York

712
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:46,960
Times article that came out December

713
00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:51,410
December 16th of last year I think kind

714
00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:53,960
of changed a little bit on the way

715
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,080
people look at the topic what's your

716
00:31:04,030 --> 00:30:59,030
thoughts on that I know you're enabling

717
00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:04,040
me right but yeah nice segue into it you

718
00:31:10,749 --> 00:31:06,590
and I have spoken a little bit off air

719
00:31:13,859 --> 00:31:10,759
about this the initiai not the least bit

720
00:31:21,069 --> 00:31:13,869
surprised that we had a Pentagon program

721
00:31:24,369 --> 00:31:21,079
the rollout in December my my refined

722
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:24,379
that remarks on it if there was some

723
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:26,929
interesting stuff there I think it was

724
00:31:33,849 --> 00:31:30,769
done more as a measure to see how people

725
00:31:39,629 --> 00:31:33,859
are reacting I think it had a lot to do

726
00:31:42,909 --> 00:31:39,639
with our president and the kind of

727
00:31:47,049 --> 00:31:42,919
atmosphere that is going on in the

728
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:47,059
internet media meaning that that was a

729
00:31:53,529 --> 00:31:49,190
reason to pump a lot of information into

730
00:31:56,169 --> 00:31:53,539
it we may be at the precipice of finally

731
00:31:59,649 --> 00:31:56,179
coming clean and opening up all the

732
00:32:02,259 --> 00:31:59,659
files but before December a lot of folks

733
00:32:04,269 --> 00:32:02,269
don't refer to this one very much a lot

734
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:04,279
of the JFK assassination files were

735
00:32:09,579 --> 00:32:06,169
released with the exception of some

736
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:09,589
stuff that was publicly held by the CIA

737
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,899
which I found interesting that why would

738
00:32:14,709 --> 00:32:12,799
you even bring that up

739
00:32:17,229 --> 00:32:14,719
why would you throw that into the mix

740
00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:17,239
why would you put those letters that

741
00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:20,839
agency that name together and work that

742
00:32:28,569 --> 00:32:25,219
in so I think it was as much as

743
00:32:30,669 --> 00:32:28,579
releasing into C they wanted to track

744
00:32:32,469 --> 00:32:30,679
how we're going to react everything is

745
00:32:34,449 --> 00:32:32,479
done by polls everything is done by

746
00:32:36,579 --> 00:32:34,459
where they think public opinion is

747
00:32:38,169 --> 00:32:36,589
rolling I think that's a reason why a

748
00:32:40,209 --> 00:32:38,179
lot of our policy and things are very

749
00:32:44,379 --> 00:32:40,219
screwed up and I think this is just one

750
00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:44,389
of those issues with that said the

751
00:32:50,859 --> 00:32:47,709
people that were involved mr. Bigalow

752
00:32:52,419 --> 00:32:50,869
former Senator Reid very interesting

753
00:32:56,529 --> 00:32:52,429
cast of characters that were in on that

754
00:32:58,359 --> 00:32:56,539
there's I think some very true bonafide

755
00:33:00,969 --> 00:32:58,369
people and events that are wrapped in

756
00:33:06,369 --> 00:33:00,979
that and I think the first things that

757
00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:06,379
they released were manufactured very

758
00:33:11,289 --> 00:33:08,629
heavily edited not manufactured evidence

759
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:11,299
but manufactured and handled package the

760
00:33:18,489 --> 00:33:15,799
way it came out okay okay are you saying

761
00:33:23,109 --> 00:33:18,499
that because of the the short span of

762
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:23,119
the the videos themselves the quality of

763
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,320
the videos the way

764
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:26,480
that those are the heat is coming off of

765
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:28,730
them this is one of the things that you

766
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:30,590
spoke to me at length about because when

767
00:33:34,509 --> 00:33:32,990
the second one came out I told you that

768
00:33:38,259 --> 00:33:34,519
I was actually at a place where I had

769
00:33:40,269 --> 00:33:38,269
seen that video I'm sure of it as part

770
00:33:42,129 --> 00:33:40,279
of other videos are on there it's

771
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:42,139
actually the second one is an excellent

772
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:43,850
demonstration of someone who really

773
00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:46,450
knows how to operate a system well

774
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:48,440
manually running over to what they

775
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,230
visually see moving driving the system

776
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:52,880
over to it and then putting an auto lock

777
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:55,870
onto it that's not hard to do with radar

778
00:34:00,340 --> 00:33:58,850
hard and a relative sense optically

779
00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:00,350
driving a system that can be very

780
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:02,750
difficult and it was a very good piece

781
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,769
of work and as we talked I'm convinced

782
00:34:09,849 --> 00:34:08,240
it's either some kind of ammunition or

783
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:09,859
as you were talking off air before we

784
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:13,310
came on most likely it's a some kind of

785
00:34:19,569 --> 00:34:17,179
a UAS unmanned aerial system right

786
00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:19,579
what about have you looked at have you

787
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:21,800
looked at all of the there's actually

788
00:34:27,579 --> 00:34:25,129
been three now that were released one of

789
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:27,589
them was kind of I think released

790
00:34:33,579 --> 00:34:30,649
actually prior to that called the Nimitz

791
00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:33,589
have you looked at all of those yes the

792
00:34:38,669 --> 00:34:35,270
Nimitz one that were there was two sets

793
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:38,679
of events that occurred around the major

794
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:41,569
reveal and working backwards as we

795
00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:44,990
talked I'm not surprised that the that

796
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:47,419
the Pentagon had an aim program and I'm

797
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,310
not surprised that it's ended and and

798
00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:50,960
they discussed that it's and you know

799
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:53,480
that program ended and it may have ended

800
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,770
on a Friday and I guarantee you on

801
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,680
Monday there was a new office and a new

802
00:35:01,690 --> 00:34:59,119
set of folks that were working at or

803
00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:01,700
split over to two other teams there's no

804
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:04,520
doubt in my mind that work continues yes

805
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,609
in some way ultimately might my belief

806
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:12,230
system has me at the point that there

807
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:14,750
are a group of people that aren't part

808
00:35:21,339 --> 00:35:17,420
of the elected elected body of the

809
00:35:23,950 --> 00:35:21,349
government I don't think the term deep

810
00:35:26,730 --> 00:35:23,960
state properly fits but it does kind of

811
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:26,740
metaphorically the folks that are in

812
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:30,740
areas that work into it that hold any

813
00:35:35,319 --> 00:35:32,810
number of Secrets some are critical you

814
00:35:37,540 --> 00:35:35,329
know to our signal security that those

815
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:37,550
secrets are mixed in there with it that

816
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:37,760
our

817
00:35:43,090 --> 00:35:40,030
constantly looking at these kinds of

818
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:43,100
events looking at these kinds of

819
00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:46,520
experiences in these reports I think

820
00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:48,020
there's enough evidence there that tells

821
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,220
me that there is a very strong case to

822
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:54,800
be made for extraterrestrial visits I

823
00:36:00,540 --> 00:35:56,780
think there's a very strong case to be

824
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:00,550
made for reverse engineering of of

825
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:04,160
extraterrestrial technology and I think

826
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:06,530
a lot of the things that we see that we

827
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:10,130
claim or people claim is man-made

828
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:13,910
military objects that are flying there's

829
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:15,800
a number of people that have speculated

830
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:18,410
that the the triangles that people are

831
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,240
seeing even though you know they are

832
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:25,040
mostly silent some people report them

833
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:29,840
with a humming but that are there's a

834
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:31,700
lot of people speculating that those are

835
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:36,290
actually you know black ops or not

836
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:39,290
exactly a secret military craft you know

837
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,460
I think that when we get black ops I

838
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:44,960
said that by a different yes yeah I

839
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,450
would say a black program or yeah that's

840
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:50,960
a program so let's take the case of the

841
00:36:58,060 --> 00:36:55,280
sr-71 the aircraft was flying well over

842
00:37:01,210 --> 00:36:58,070
ten years before anybody really knew

843
00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:01,220
that it was of flight they paraded other

844
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:04,520
aircraft in fact they used the UFO

845
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,650
phenomenon as a way to cover-up it in a

846
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:08,720
number of other aircraft that were out

847
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:10,940
flying that's really air force was

848
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:12,770
engaging the government was engaging in

849
00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:15,410
feeding disinformation into that system

850
00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:16,430
now

851
00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:18,620
that's an effective tool disinformation

852
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:20,900
is on one of the things I was taught as

853
00:37:26,530 --> 00:37:23,900
part of my career in the military and

854
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:26,540
some of the work how did you deceive not

855
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,610
so much the public it was in my case it

856
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:30,320
was the enemy but how do you deceive the

857
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:33,770
enemy's civilian populace like if we're

858
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:35,210
going to do a helicopter insertion we're

859
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:37,010
gonna put a team in you would make

860
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:40,250
multiple approaches that look like

861
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:42,410
landings and I'm one of those that's

862
00:37:46,990 --> 00:37:43,730
when they actually got off and you

863
00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:47,000
continued so that it did not give an

864
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:49,790
indication you know a helicopter when it

865
00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:51,290
will field and everybody that's where

866
00:37:54,910 --> 00:37:51,589
they

867
00:37:57,370 --> 00:37:54,920
for the team that you've inserted or the

868
00:38:02,559 --> 00:37:57,380
people that you're trying to extract Oh

869
00:38:03,999 --> 00:38:02,569
so that doesn't I think that's that's a

870
00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:04,009
pretty good case a pretty good precedent

871
00:38:08,259 --> 00:38:05,630
how we're gonna go forward we definitely

872
00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:08,269
become creatures of habit the one thing

873
00:38:14,529 --> 00:38:11,079
the one argument that I've had about

874
00:38:17,259 --> 00:38:14,539
when people say that you know all the

875
00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:17,269
the triangles that people are seeing our

876
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:19,759
you know secret military craft the

877
00:38:24,279 --> 00:38:21,410
argument I have in that is you know all

878
00:38:28,779 --> 00:38:24,289
the way back to I'm trying to think it

879
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:28,789
was like 1960 or something like that in

880
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:31,009
Lubbock Texas you know the first

881
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:33,140
triangle that was pictured and witnessed

882
00:38:37,769 --> 00:38:34,910
by thousands of people and that was

883
00:38:38,979 --> 00:38:37,779
actually one all the way up into Kansas

884
00:38:41,249 --> 00:38:38,989
Wichita

885
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:41,259
they were seen there was a number of

886
00:38:45,069 --> 00:38:43,670
cell phone pictures is an interesting

887
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,079
thing to bring up on a lot of fronts

888
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:47,119
there Martin never I mean this was this

889
00:38:51,459 --> 00:38:49,069
was an earlier this was prior to cell

890
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,469
phone this was you were talking about

891
00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:53,839
the Phoenix lights perhaps I was talking

892
00:39:01,329 --> 00:38:56,299
about in luboc these are early early

893
00:39:03,549 --> 00:39:01,339
triangles also a friend of mine Lee

894
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:03,559
Spiegel that used to work at The

895
00:39:09,279 --> 00:39:05,089
Huffington Post he's now working with

896
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:09,289
James Fox on a UFO video he actually had

897
00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:12,140
an encounter in North Carolina I want to

898
00:39:18,099 --> 00:39:15,259
say it was 19 late 1970s with a triangle

899
00:39:20,049 --> 00:39:18,109
that came over silently and shot down a

900
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:20,059
beam of light right at their feet along

901
00:39:24,699 --> 00:39:21,499
with him with a whole bunch of police

902
00:39:26,529 --> 00:39:24,709
officers so I don't think that we're

903
00:39:29,799 --> 00:39:26,539
going to have military secret military

904
00:39:32,349 --> 00:39:29,809
craft going that far back that we still

905
00:39:35,529 --> 00:39:32,359
wouldn't know anything about you know

906
00:39:39,789 --> 00:39:35,539
what's your - I I think that we will or

907
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:39,799
we did I will cite for folks that are

908
00:39:48,489 --> 00:39:44,140
new to the show if you have a chance get

909
00:39:50,739 --> 00:39:48,499
download mr. leer show mr. leer talks

910
00:39:54,459 --> 00:39:50,749
about some of the things that he was

911
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,469
made known or had some knowledge of the

912
00:39:58,269 --> 00:39:56,660
aircraft that you were just referred to

913
00:40:01,239 --> 00:39:58,279
the very Silent One the one that shot

914
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:01,249
the beam that one there I'm almost sure

915
00:40:06,850 --> 00:40:05,420
was a combination of a dirigible tight

916
00:40:09,310 --> 00:40:06,860
design that it had lighter-than-air

917
00:40:11,020 --> 00:40:09,320
properties and it had other things made

918
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:11,030
it to it

919
00:40:16,990 --> 00:40:13,670
partially because they were looking for

920
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:17,000
the ability to have surveillance and the

921
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:23,330
ability to take extended surveillance

922
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,690
activity over a target area not a lot of

923
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:28,160
heat being produced so it wouldn't show

924
00:40:32,290 --> 00:40:28,880
up

925
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:32,300
very quiet had some characteristics of

926
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,510
being able to fly in and have some

927
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:38,000
control that's what dirigibles give and

928
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:42,200
that triangle shape I think not so much

929
00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:44,510
coincidence I believe that's what that

930
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:47,420
vehicle had been talked about and had

931
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:50,150
been seen in Europe quite a bit and I

932
00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:51,770
believe it was for a specific purpose

933
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:54,020
and a lot of the vehicles that we have

934
00:40:58,930 --> 00:40:56,630
worked that way they they do show up in

935
00:41:03,070 --> 00:40:58,940
a very specific mission set that they

936
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:03,080
want to get coverage or some capability

937
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:09,640
same thing happened with the with our

938
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:12,740
predators and the the unmanned aerial

939
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:15,310
vehicles you know they're they're

940
00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:20,570
exploded and their capability so I think

941
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,550
that you're talking about a family of

942
00:41:27,460 --> 00:41:25,250
different types of aircraft that have

943
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:27,470
that shape if you look at fighter

944
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:29,690
aircraft or transport aircraft they all

945
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:30,350
look the same

946
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:33,110
some had propellers some have jet

947
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:37,250
engines their capabilities are similar

948
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:40,730
but their their characteristics are

949
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:43,010
what's of what's different there was a

950
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:46,940
helicopter project that's been on very

951
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:48,290
much the forerunner to some of the

952
00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:49,670
things that went on the bin Laden raid

953
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:52,340
where the helicopters were nearly silent

954
00:42:00,070 --> 00:41:56,770
I saw these aircraft move used in

955
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:00,080
exercises the problem was is that to

956
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:01,850
make them silent made them not such good

957
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:04,070
helicopters they were great for moving

958
00:42:08,350 --> 00:42:05,390
around they're very quiet but you had to

959
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:08,360
compromise a lot of other capabilities

960
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:10,250
that didn't make them useful now you

961
00:42:14,290 --> 00:42:12,410
have had some experiences with the the

962
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:14,300
triangle and you know that that's one of

963
00:42:19,269 --> 00:42:17,510
my if there's anything that gets my

964
00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:19,279
attention if there's a shiny bell

965
00:42:22,749 --> 00:42:21,380
that when it rings gets my attention

966
00:42:25,859 --> 00:42:22,759
it's definitely the black triangle

967
00:42:29,049 --> 00:42:25,869
discussion well you know a couple things

968
00:42:31,809 --> 00:42:29,059
to argue there about what you're saying

969
00:42:34,329 --> 00:42:31,819
is a number of people have said that

970
00:42:36,819 --> 00:42:34,339
they've seen these things shoot off at a

971
00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:36,829
high rate of speed and again with no

972
00:42:44,499 --> 00:42:40,849
sound at all that that is repeated quite

973
00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:44,509
often another thing a lot of people are

974
00:42:49,029 --> 00:42:46,339
saying these things are enormous

975
00:42:50,769 --> 00:42:49,039
you know sometimes perhaps even more

976
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:50,779
than a mile wide there would be

977
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:52,609
absolutely no reason why the government

978
00:42:57,999 --> 00:42:54,529
would make something like that agreement

979
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,009
that would make any sense so I don't

980
00:43:03,699 --> 00:43:00,079
know you know I would say that you're

981
00:43:05,919 --> 00:43:03,709
probably right on some of them that and

982
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:05,929
I've always thought that - that some of

983
00:43:11,309 --> 00:43:07,640
these triangles could actually be

984
00:43:13,659 --> 00:43:11,319
military absolutely without a doubt and

985
00:43:15,279 --> 00:43:13,669
when I say could I don't know if they

986
00:43:16,799 --> 00:43:15,289
actually have that technology but I've

987
00:43:21,249 --> 00:43:16,809
never really heard that dirigible

988
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:21,259
thought it it I guess it would make

989
00:43:26,049 --> 00:43:23,390
sense something that would go out at

990
00:43:27,279 --> 00:43:26,059
night and surveil but now they have why

991
00:43:29,799 --> 00:43:27,289
would they do that when they have drones

992
00:43:32,109 --> 00:43:29,809
the drones can do all that well the time

993
00:43:34,329 --> 00:43:32,119
period you were talking about I'm I

994
00:43:37,929 --> 00:43:34,339
would be very doubtful at that aircraft

995
00:43:40,649 --> 00:43:37,939
is is still flying but a specific time

996
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:40,659
in Perea during the Cold War and the

997
00:43:45,489 --> 00:43:43,369
technology at the time that type of

998
00:43:48,839 --> 00:43:45,499
aircraft that type of persistent

999
00:43:51,789 --> 00:43:48,849
capability remember we didn't even have

1000
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:51,799
the ability to really downlink the

1001
00:43:57,779 --> 00:43:54,890
imagery very well until the well into

1002
00:44:00,189 --> 00:43:57,789
the 80s were still very dependent on

1003
00:44:01,959 --> 00:44:00,199
well in the 70s all the way into the

1004
00:44:03,729 --> 00:44:01,969
early 80s we were actually dropping film

1005
00:44:07,089 --> 00:44:03,739
canisters out of our satellites that had

1006
00:44:11,399 --> 00:44:07,099
to be caught in the air then the ability

1007
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:11,409
to send those pictures down by radio

1008
00:44:16,509 --> 00:44:13,640
technology and now that's been replaced

1009
00:44:18,459 --> 00:44:16,519
by still using a radio wave but it

1010
00:44:20,169 --> 00:44:18,469
you're packing more information I mean

1011
00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:20,179
just the fact that we have the kind of

1012
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:22,299
Wi-Fi capabilities that we have now

1013
00:44:26,919 --> 00:44:25,069
these are the the fruits of the labor to

1014
00:44:30,989 --> 00:44:26,929
be able to have secure links and

1015
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:30,999
descendant information oh so yeah did

1016
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:32,300
the

1017
00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:46,190
80s he did a lot of research Aviation

1018
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:48,740
Week and it was one of the ones of

1019
00:44:52,570 --> 00:44:51,110
aircraft that he he didn't have

1020
00:44:54,730 --> 00:44:52,580
definitive proof but he had a pretty

1021
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:54,740
good postulation of what was happening

1022
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:57,800
there and it was that mix in there and

1023
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:00,140
but you said when we were off air before

1024
00:45:03,850 --> 00:45:01,490
we came on that you did have an

1025
00:45:06,340 --> 00:45:03,860
experience up and main and I'm convinced

1026
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:06,350
that we between where you and I live is

1027
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:08,540
a major routing structure that flies

1028
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,250
back and forth and uses the tanker fleet

1029
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:13,040
that's in this area yes I personally

1030
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:17,330
didn't see that I didn't see that object

1031
00:45:24,010 --> 00:45:20,480
that I told you about but my girlfriend

1032
00:45:26,410 --> 00:45:24,020
basically did see it you know she said

1033
00:45:28,570 --> 00:45:26,420
it was tiny because she said it was tiny

1034
00:45:31,450 --> 00:45:28,580
because it was up so high but she said

1035
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:31,460
it had she said it I think she said it

1036
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:33,530
had five lights with one in the center

1037
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:36,230
and it was shaped like a like a

1038
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:39,050
boomerang or triangle type of thing and

1039
00:45:43,150 --> 00:45:41,540
that was like I said that was way

1040
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:43,160
overhead and may have just been a plane

1041
00:45:47,650 --> 00:45:45,080
and the way the lighting was on the

1042
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:47,660
plane you know I'm not sure I didn't

1043
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:49,220
it's interesting the way she describes

1044
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,020
that and I'd love her to see a picture

1045
00:45:58,030 --> 00:45:52,880
off to send you the sketch when I dig it

1046
00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:58,040
up I have a a offline offline print

1047
00:46:02,020 --> 00:45:59,690
graphic artist that does a lot of the

1048
00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:02,030
t-shirts and and other stuff of the show

1049
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:05,060
plus other work-related stuff and he

1050
00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:06,470
drew me because he's very talented

1051
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:08,540
because he can sketch and he can take

1052
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:10,010
you know the scratching should come in

1053
00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:11,900
with and he'll build the the artwork for

1054
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:14,870
your everything from the decals to the

1055
00:46:22,450 --> 00:46:18,290
car wraps to the t-shirts and he drew a

1056
00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:22,460
very classical picture and his theory

1057
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:24,590
he's a longtime resident of Maine as

1058
00:46:31,090 --> 00:46:28,550
well is that this is technology that Y

1059
00:46:32,890 --> 00:46:31,100
would be flying here because we have a

1060
00:46:35,830 --> 00:46:32,900
major engine manufacturer that's in the

1061
00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:35,840
area and we have a fairly isolated part

1062
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:38,840
of the country and I think a lot of

1063
00:46:43,780 --> 00:46:42,200
times I know that we would do operations

1064
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:43,790
in Europe when I was stationed there

1065
00:46:48,779 --> 00:46:45,609
just to partially

1066
00:46:50,819 --> 00:46:48,789
gage how the public would react to how

1067
00:46:54,029 --> 00:46:50,829
the civilian populace reacted to our

1068
00:46:57,029 --> 00:46:54,039
presence being there as a way to how

1069
00:47:00,180 --> 00:46:57,039
effective we were to moving or cover and

1070
00:47:01,739 --> 00:47:00,190
a lot of times if somebody else was

1071
00:47:03,989 --> 00:47:01,749
doing something of very sensitive nature

1072
00:47:05,609 --> 00:47:03,999
other aircraft would be out there

1073
00:47:07,979 --> 00:47:05,619
drawing your attention

1074
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:07,989
so why everybody's looking up at the sky

1075
00:47:14,339 --> 00:47:11,440
and seeing watch formations of aircraft

1076
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:14,349
moving a very small set of helicopters

1077
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:17,529
is moving in to go do a mission you know

1078
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:19,660
in a sensitive area in those days it was

1079
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:21,880
East and West Germany I can leave most

1080
00:47:24,329 --> 00:47:23,170
of that to your imagination to figure

1081
00:47:26,279 --> 00:47:24,339
out how that was going on I

1082
00:47:28,349 --> 00:47:26,289
affectionately refer to those days as

1083
00:47:30,269 --> 00:47:28,359
Mad Magazine spy versus spy because I

1084
00:47:32,729 --> 00:47:30,279
seem to be the playbook was a lot of fun

1085
00:47:34,739 --> 00:47:32,739
and luckily it never turned anything

1086
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:34,749
more serious than being serious about

1087
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:39,180
our work huh Wow interesting

1088
00:47:46,380 --> 00:47:44,079
so what do you think that well let's

1089
00:47:48,269 --> 00:47:46,390
circle back all right God you we talked

1090
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:48,279
about stars to the Academy give me your

1091
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:50,470
take on that release in December and the

1092
00:47:59,249 --> 00:47:52,619
and the videos that come out since them

1093
00:48:01,920 --> 00:47:59,259
well I I've had Leslie Kane on my show a

1094
00:48:04,049 --> 00:48:01,930
number of times and also I was one of

1095
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:04,059
the people that got to interview ralph

1096
00:48:13,229 --> 00:48:08,619
Blumenthal who was one of the co-authors

1097
00:48:16,529 --> 00:48:13,239
of that particular viral I guess nothing

1098
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:16,539
went viral more than that for in the UFO

1099
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:19,660
field nothing's gone quite like that I

1100
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:21,910
think there was over a hundred news

1101
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:25,420
shows on that alone in particular all

1102
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:27,670
over you know everywhere so I think it

1103
00:48:34,529 --> 00:48:30,249
was great that got out there I think

1104
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:34,539
that I think that it's helped in a lot

1105
00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:36,130
of ways has helped more people that were

1106
00:48:40,979 --> 00:48:37,960
on the fence maybe take a serious look

1107
00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:40,989
and and that's what we need and I've

1108
00:48:47,970 --> 00:48:43,480
spoken to both leslie and ralph

1109
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:47,980
Blumenthal and Ralph says hold on

1110
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:50,230
there's more more to come and he will be

1111
00:48:54,269 --> 00:48:51,910
on my show again but he says we have to

1112
00:48:55,499 --> 00:48:54,279
you know we're working with the New York

1113
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:55,509
Times and there's going to be more

1114
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:58,210
release now I give you the explanation

1115
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,200
why is

1116
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:01,599
coming out so slowly I didn't in the age

1117
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:03,820
that we live in I mean I understand if

1118
00:49:07,470 --> 00:49:05,410
it's gonna be for some kind of a profit

1119
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,480
generated part of it you know I mean

1120
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:09,040
that's that they have to make money they

1121
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:10,300
have to sell papers they have to sell

1122
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:12,730
their their their news but what's the

1123
00:49:16,349 --> 00:49:14,290
explanation or what's your summation of

1124
00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:16,359
why it's taking so much time I would say

1125
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:18,220
it's more of my summation and that is

1126
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:20,140
that I think they're just trying to keep

1127
00:49:25,290 --> 00:49:23,230
it alive and so it just doesn't fade

1128
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:25,300
away like you know it's such an

1129
00:49:30,420 --> 00:49:28,630
ephemeral society now and I don't know

1130
00:49:32,250 --> 00:49:30,430
if you're watching the news but there's

1131
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,260
so many dramatic things on the news all

1132
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:34,480
the time and it's yesterday's news

1133
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:38,290
instantly you know it fades away I still

1134
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:40,650
think that a lot of people actually

1135
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:44,200
witnessed one of those TV shows or new

1136
00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:47,650
shows about the Pentagon release and I

1137
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:50,710
think I think it is you know when I

1138
00:49:55,859 --> 00:49:53,290
brought the topic up to I would say

1139
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:55,869
people outside of the UFO field did you

1140
00:50:00,060 --> 00:49:57,790
see that you know the Pentagon released

1141
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:00,070
the fact that they've been looking into

1142
00:50:04,290 --> 00:50:01,990
you know UFOs and whether they're a

1143
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:04,300
threat or not and a lot of people saw

1144
00:50:09,410 --> 00:50:06,460
that it really got it really got a lot

1145
00:50:11,250 --> 00:50:09,420
of people's attention so I think

1146
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:11,260
personally think that it was a really

1147
00:50:17,370 --> 00:50:13,890
good real good thing and I think that

1148
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:17,380
like I said is going to have more people

1149
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:19,210
taking it serious people that were on

1150
00:50:23,010 --> 00:50:21,460
the fence about looking into it may

1151
00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:23,020
start looking into it and there's going

1152
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,660
to be less ridicule and for instance

1153
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:28,000
this Arizona I don't know if you caught

1154
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:33,130
this Arizona sightings of the FA the FAA

1155
00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:36,310
actually released the recordings of the

1156
00:50:41,819 --> 00:50:39,160
pilots talking about seeing this UFO

1157
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:41,829
overhead I thought that would have

1158
00:50:48,089 --> 00:50:45,430
happened prior to the New York Times

1159
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:48,099
article coming out the FAA has been real

1160
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:51,130
guarded about any UFO material getting

1161
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,170
out there that they have any thing to do

1162
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:54,880
with so I think it's it's a good thing

1163
00:50:59,940 --> 00:50:57,970
overall all right I I guess I'm gonna

1164
00:51:02,910 --> 00:50:59,950
beg to differ with you because the age

1165
00:51:05,069 --> 00:51:02,920
that we live in I don't understand why

1166
00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:05,079
you have to drag it out as slow as the

1167
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:08,740
you have to drag it out why we were

1168
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:11,020
living in it where Libya I mean people

1169
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:12,730
do not go to the I know

1170
00:51:15,870 --> 00:51:14,410
that the vast majority people still pick

1171
00:51:19,590 --> 00:51:15,880
up their news by looking at the three

1172
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:19,600
primary media networks but they were a

1173
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:22,150
big part of this story and the print

1174
00:51:28,500 --> 00:51:24,250
media is not print anymore it's print

1175
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:28,510
with everything that's online the to the

1176
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:32,170
Stars Academy has the ability to put a

1177
00:51:38,310 --> 00:51:34,810
lot of information out in depth with

1178
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:38,320
explanation with podcasts I can

1179
00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:39,550
understand if you're trying to build

1180
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:41,230
interest and you're trying to do that

1181
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:45,190
but this is not a movie that anybody is

1182
00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:49,090
going to wait to see if you continue to

1183
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:51,700
drag it out in my opinion for people

1184
00:51:55,950 --> 00:51:53,620
that are but they are believers people

1185
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,960
that are listening tonight to this show

1186
00:52:01,500 --> 00:51:58,480
and go to your podcast to see that we're

1187
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,510
already in on the on the belief we're

1188
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:03,280
looking for something to help Stan she

1189
00:52:10,050 --> 00:52:06,850
ate it so I don't understand what the

1190
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:10,060
the theory is on how slow to go and why

1191
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:11,890
it's a two or three minute clip and

1192
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:13,380
there's no explanation there's no

1193
00:52:19,470 --> 00:52:16,090
there's no briefing that goes with their

1194
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:19,480
clip just about I know a little bit

1195
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:22,930
about that part and that is Lois Alison

1196
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:25,720
doe that was heading that project for

1197
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:30,360
the Pentagon who you've recently retired

1198
00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:34,030
said that there is footage before and

1199
00:52:39,330 --> 00:52:36,100
after that but it's not unclassified and

1200
00:52:42,330 --> 00:52:39,340
I think perhaps that may be part of the

1201
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:42,340
deal is maybe we're getting fed this

1202
00:52:49,290 --> 00:52:45,610
it's not just like the New York Times

1203
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:49,300
and these authors hanging on to what

1204
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:51,130
they know and to the stars hang on to

1205
00:52:57,420 --> 00:52:54,310
what they know perhaps it's a trickle

1206
00:52:59,550 --> 00:52:57,430
down from the being released from the

1207
00:53:00,630 --> 00:52:59,560
Pentagon I don't know or if they even

1208
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:00,640
want to bother with it

1209
00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:02,950
on there I'm gonna give you we're coming

1210
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:04,390
up to our next break so I'm gonna give

1211
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:07,360
you a lead-in to our next part okay one

1212
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:09,430
of the stories are referred to we had a

1213
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:11,770
unidentified object Arizona came over

1214
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:13,570
through Oregon when its way back towards

1215
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:16,090
Idaho a very good friend of the show

1216
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:20,530
Tyler Rogo a the war zone calm he broke

1217
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:24,160
the story he did the work he did freedom

1218
00:53:26,670 --> 00:53:26,110
of information he's a two man shop he's

1219
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:26,680
got a part

1220
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:30,970
there they they uncovered more

1221
00:53:35,460 --> 00:53:33,010
information they released more now they

1222
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:35,470
didn't release any video data that went

1223
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:36,790
with it because it really wasn't any

1224
00:53:41,610 --> 00:53:39,310
video data to go there wasn't a HUD film

1225
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:41,620
from the f-15s that did that but he's

1226
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:43,420
got all the conversations he got all the

1227
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:45,850
transcripts he turned that around in a

1228
00:53:53,250 --> 00:53:51,130
matter of a week and continued to

1229
00:53:55,290 --> 00:53:53,260
continue to break it down followed up

1230
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:55,300
with it what I consider pretty decent

1231
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:57,370
journalism I understand that this is

1232
00:54:02,160 --> 00:53:59,650
sensational pile up that you have and

1233
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,170
you're gonna release that info but I the

1234
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:04,140
two of them don't stand side-by-side

1235
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:06,310
telling me that you have classified

1236
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:08,910
information on the front part of a video

1237
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:11,170
classified information in the other part

1238
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:12,910
and then you have the commander that was

1239
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:14,650
flying the aircraft on all the amazing

1240
00:54:19,710 --> 00:54:16,650
news network and then he disappears

1241
00:54:23,550 --> 00:54:19,720
doesn't add up to me there's something

1242
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:23,560
that doesn't link up so we're gonna hold

1243
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:25,480
you on that one okay this is task force

1244
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,700
Griffin on kgr radio KGA comm we're

1245
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:29,200
talking to the greatest audience on the

1246
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:31,570
planet and we're very lucky to have one

1247
00:54:35,370 --> 00:54:33,280
of the greatest podcasters on the planet

1248
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:35,380
Martin Wilson will be back about three

1249
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:39,550
minutes please stand by clear command I

1250
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:41,010
don't know if you got my message

1251
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:43,450
regarding Mark Dantonio he would like to

1252
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:45,820
join the show for the final segment to

1253
00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:46,780
speak with both of you

1254
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:50,830
oh okay awesome now where'd you send

1255
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:52,240
that bill cuz I didn't see it come in I

1256
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:55,630
sent it to you individually mmm okay

1257
00:54:59,220 --> 00:54:57,970
that's yeah I didn't want to confuse the

1258
00:55:01,680 --> 00:54:59,230
conversation I was going on with you

1259
00:55:02,190 --> 00:55:01,690
guys so we got three minutes three

1260
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:02,200
minutes

1261
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:05,410
Oh excellent all right I'm gonna look

1262
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:07,660
through the chat room again and see if

1263
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:10,880
we have anything here for questions

1264
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:12,810
[Music]

1265
00:55:19,050 --> 00:55:15,330
let's see

1266
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:19,060
interesting what your I have a moderator

1267
00:55:28,410 --> 00:55:22,090
on there that deleted something so there

1268
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:28,420
was something going on there oh yeah

1269
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:34,720
they want to know have you saw a witness

1270
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:36,010
anything you already talked about that

1271
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:38,950
oh oh I'm sorry wait a minute were you

1272
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:40,450
ever briefed in two

1273
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:45,730
secret programs now you answer that

1274
00:55:52,290 --> 00:55:51,550
Martin a tell you want no I haven't been

1275
00:55:53,849 --> 00:55:52,300
I think

1276
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,859
obviously not know is that someone on

1277
00:55:58,290 --> 00:55:56,079
York on your side of your podcast yeah

1278
00:56:01,920 --> 00:55:58,300
they're asking asking if you were ever

1279
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:01,930
briefed in I understand or vole so yes

1280
00:56:07,770 --> 00:56:04,720
so why we're waiting there's quite a few

1281
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:07,780
I did carry a top secret clearance it's

1282
00:56:16,310 --> 00:56:11,380
not active anymore it's because I'm

1283
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:20,190
much of the very sensitive especially

1284
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:21,520
when you were moving troops when I was

1285
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:23,770
working in places like Kosovo and Iraq

1286
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:27,250
you had to be very careful how you were

1287
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:30,070
right into programs and pieces because

1288
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:32,050
of other components that were going on

1289
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:34,750
around that what people think and I'm

1290
00:56:38,250 --> 00:56:36,160
pretty sure what the question is driving

1291
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,260
at a lot of people think is you have a

1292
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,000
clearance that you can go and look and

1293
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:42,880
see things no it does not how it works

1294
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:46,530
and there's a very strong part of

1295
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:49,839
keeping things in compartments or a

1296
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:51,430
need-to-know as it's sometimes referred

1297
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:54,730
to in the movies and television that you

1298
00:56:59,790 --> 00:56:56,470
have to be part of a project to go do

1299
00:57:02,640 --> 00:56:59,800
that I try to explain to a good friend

1300
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:02,650
of mine that there are probably people

1301
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:08,050
that are young enlisted that have more

1302
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:09,520
knowledge and have seen more things

1303
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:11,640
because of the areas where they were in

1304
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:14,079
and how they were handling large amounts

1305
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:17,230
of information than many the rest of us

1306
00:57:22,290 --> 00:57:20,530
that you know held higher position or

1307
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:22,300
higher rank it's just it's a matter of

1308
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:24,130
where you're at but yes yep that all

1309
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:27,910
those classified briefs still go every

1310
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:29,770
now and then to have my currency to make

1311
00:57:35,010 --> 00:57:31,180
sure that I'm doing what I'm supposed to

1312
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:35,020
and most of my secrets so the things I

1313
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:36,970
seen were sensitive information

1314
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,730
regarding ops or some kind of capability

1315
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:41,200
if we're going to build or some way that

1316
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,089
we were actually able to do what we were

1317
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:46,000
doing work wise alright gentlemen we're

1318
00:58:02,780 --> 00:57:50,040
coming back in about 15 seconds okay

1319
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:02,790
I in three two one go

1320
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:04,650
welcome back to task force Griffin on

1321
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:07,020
kgr radio KGA radio calm my guest

1322
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:09,930
tonight mr. Martin Willis a fellow

1323
00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:13,980
maniac a connoisseur of Antiquities or

1324
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,780
antique use depending on what part of

1325
00:58:21,350 --> 00:58:18,720
Maine you're in that's right we've been

1326
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:21,360
moving around the the map here a little

1327
00:58:27,110 --> 00:58:25,980
bit the black triangle sighting I got a

1328
00:58:29,420 --> 00:58:27,120
couple of questions I would need to

1329
00:58:33,110 --> 00:58:29,430
clean up here that I've let slide a

1330
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:33,120
little bit where your your significant

1331
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,950
other said that she had seen the black

1332
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:36,720
triangles that was in Maine correct

1333
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:39,150
that's right it wasn't a black triangle

1334
00:58:43,220 --> 00:58:41,310
all she saw was a triangle formation of

1335
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:43,230
lights and she said it was right tiny

1336
00:58:50,180 --> 00:58:46,740
and way up high mmm okay and then you

1337
00:58:54,110 --> 00:58:50,190
talked about a triangle vehicle in North

1338
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:54,120
Carolina one of our listeners frequents

1339
00:58:58,220 --> 00:58:56,730
between Maine and North Carolina and she

1340
00:59:00,110 --> 00:58:58,230
was curious where that was did you know

1341
00:59:01,430 --> 00:59:00,120
the location where that was it's the one

1342
00:59:04,310 --> 00:59:01,440
that had the beam of light that came out

1343
00:59:06,170 --> 00:59:04,320
that you were describing right I can

1344
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:06,180
find that out really quickly actually

1345
00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:08,370
Lee spiegel is the one who experienced

1346
00:59:14,690 --> 00:59:10,790
that and he's been actually texting me

1347
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,700
so I will when we take a break here I'll

1348
00:59:21,170 --> 00:59:17,160
text him and find out that location if I

1349
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:21,180
was she wants to hang in I spread on the

1350
00:59:24,620 --> 00:59:22,650
tip of my tongue but I can't think of

1351
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,630
the exact location of where that

1352
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:26,880
happened and that story goes on there

1353
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:29,250
was a police officer that and another

1354
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:32,930
town over that was jumped out of his car

1355
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,310
pulled his flashlight out of his trunk

1356
00:59:38,570 --> 00:59:36,960
and flashed his light at it and the

1357
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:38,580
thing flashed back at him which is

1358
00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:42,150
pretty bizarre I wouldn't have ever had

1359
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:46,230
been brave enough to do that well I did

1360
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:49,110
I had people that would do things like

1361
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,090
that when I was flying helicopters and

1362
00:59:56,780 --> 00:59:53,760
we would flash back as well and people

1363
00:59:58,850 --> 00:59:56,790
get pretty excited in fact I remember we

1364
01:00:00,140 --> 00:59:58,860
had a piece of equipment on one of the

1365
01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:00,150
gyro helicopters I flew that you could

1366
01:00:03,860 --> 01:00:03,030
actually talk on CB radios and I'll just

1367
01:00:06,050 --> 01:00:03,870
take this quick

1368
01:00:09,460 --> 01:00:06,060
we're out in the out in the West Was in

1369
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:09,470
New Mexico and we started talking and

1370
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:13,110
those when CB was the height of its it

1371
01:00:19,220 --> 01:00:15,420
was at its zenith of its cultural

1372
01:00:21,350 --> 01:00:19,230
implications and this guy didn't believe

1373
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:21,360
he's if I'm talking to the big

1374
01:00:27,830 --> 01:00:25,410
helicopter that's fine along i-10 fly

1375
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:27,840
over to the other side of the highway

1376
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:29,970
swap sides to the highway so we flew

1377
01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:31,260
over the other side of the highway well

1378
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:33,120
that was it you know oh my god everybody

1379
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:35,370
now wanted to talk to the big helicopter

1380
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:38,190
and one poor helicopter I mean one poor

1381
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:39,630
truck that we got close to because of

1382
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:43,440
the kind of power that that system had I

1383
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,930
think it caught his CB radio on fire

1384
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:48,240
because it was smoking I think it I

1385
01:00:52,550 --> 01:00:50,370
think it over probably because of the

1386
01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:52,560
amount of wattage that that because it

1387
01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:54,060
was designed to work on the battlefield

1388
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,460
and when you wondered those frequency

1389
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,740
ranges so we stopped doing that after

1390
01:01:02,780 --> 01:01:00,960
that you know more community engagement

1391
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:02,790
that way that's not that wasn't good

1392
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,530
cricket back in the day but it was a lot

1393
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:06,420
of fun I'll never forget the enthusiasm

1394
01:01:09,460 --> 01:01:07,770
they voice when they could not believe

1395
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:09,470
that we switched over to the other side

1396
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,850
and I've had kids shoot bottle rockets

1397
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:13,680
at the helicopter and I chased them

1398
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:16,200
around with the helicopter you know can

1399
01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:19,470
only imagine the stories later on what I

1400
01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:21,270
digress of Glaser

1401
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:22,980
well now the the thing that's really

1402
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:27,420
dangerous is the laser pointers yeah I I

1403
01:01:31,820 --> 01:01:30,090
was zapped many an evening in Iraq with

1404
01:01:33,110 --> 01:01:31,830
lasers and of course the thing you're

1405
01:01:34,550 --> 01:01:33,120
always wondering there is is is it

1406
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:34,560
actually connected to a weapon or are

1407
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:35,610
they just trying to get you in the ice

1408
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:37,020
Wow

1409
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:40,680
well that's scary you know along the

1410
01:01:45,590 --> 01:01:42,180
same lines I don't know have you ever

1411
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:45,600
heard of the Fothergill case it sounds

1412
01:01:51,530 --> 01:01:48,090
familiar but I'm not recalling the exact

1413
01:01:56,330 --> 01:01:51,540
figures yeah that was back in 1962 and

1414
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:56,340
it was God I came remember exactly where

1415
01:02:02,320 --> 01:01:59,040
it was I wanted to say but Zimbabwe but

1416
01:02:06,980 --> 01:02:02,330
it wasn't it was mm-hmm

1417
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,990
anyway he was outside they were outside

1418
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:09,480
and they saw these first I think they

1419
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,670
saw four crafts look like one was

1420
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:13,680
repairing another one and they kept

1421
01:02:19,999 --> 01:02:16,890
seeing this craft wood

1422
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:20,009
and one night they were outside and

1423
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:22,410
there it was and there was actually look

1424
01:02:31,729 --> 01:02:26,730
like beings on top of the craft and so

1425
01:02:34,249 --> 01:02:31,739
the they waved they waved at him in the

1426
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:34,259
the beings whatever they were waved back

1427
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:37,319
this is all according to Fothergill a

1428
01:02:42,829 --> 01:02:40,920
and J Allen Hynek from Project Blue Book

1429
01:02:44,989 --> 01:02:42,839
looked into that case and thought there

1430
01:02:47,749 --> 01:02:44,999
was really something there was they also

1431
01:02:49,460 --> 01:02:47,759
had a situation with the flashlight one

1432
01:02:52,579 --> 01:02:49,470
of them took a flashlight they called it

1433
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:52,589
a torch I guess in and moved it back and

1434
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:54,359
forth and the craft moved back and forth

1435
01:03:01,720 --> 01:02:58,170
which was pretty bizarre and exciting

1436
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:01,730
yeah yes it's a pretty interesting case

1437
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,210
so let's let me ask you a couple cases

1438
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:07,920
that I think always seem to make our

1439
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:10,710
turns give me your thoughts on the

1440
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:14,480
Rendlesham Woodbridge airbase England

1441
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:18,450
that famous involvement there well I

1442
01:03:27,229 --> 01:03:22,680
consider that my own personal in the top

1443
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:27,239
five of UFO encounters myself I've

1444
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:29,339
talked to a number of people that were

1445
01:03:34,609 --> 01:03:32,190
involved that were there Charles halt I

1446
01:03:38,269 --> 01:03:34,619
talked to him now and then I had him on

1447
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:38,279
my show a number of times and I think

1448
01:03:44,329 --> 01:03:40,980
it's a legit case and if anyone's ever

1449
01:03:47,319 --> 01:03:44,339
listened to the audio recording that he

1450
01:03:50,479 --> 01:03:47,329
made you know during the encounter

1451
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:50,489
there's a long version of that mmm

1452
01:03:53,809 --> 01:03:52,470
he didn't even know I remember he told

1453
01:03:56,769 --> 01:03:53,819
me he didn't even know how that actually

1454
01:04:00,440 --> 01:03:56,779
got out online when it first did but

1455
01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:00,450
that whole case I think you know there's

1456
01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:03,859
a lot of controversy there's some

1457
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:06,630
there's a little bit of you know

1458
01:04:11,799 --> 01:04:09,450
convoluted tales between the different

1459
01:04:14,779 --> 01:04:11,809
people there there was some friction

1460
01:04:19,670 --> 01:04:14,789
Larry Mullen has kind of pushed out of

1461
01:04:22,519 --> 01:04:19,680
the topic a little bit right now Peter

1462
01:04:25,009 --> 01:04:22,529
Robinson Larry Warren did the book the

1463
01:04:28,970 --> 01:04:25,019
left at Eastgate I believe that's called

1464
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,980
that and so there was there were some

1465
01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:30,000
issues

1466
01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:32,580
going on with that but overall that case

1467
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:35,790
is amazing amazing happened in 1980 over

1468
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:39,720
a period of a few days and you know when

1469
01:04:43,460 --> 01:04:40,530
I've talked to

1470
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:43,470
I've sat and you know just had a

1471
01:04:49,010 --> 01:04:46,530
discussion with Charles hald about you

1472
01:04:51,020 --> 01:04:49,020
know what he saw and the way the craft

1473
01:04:54,410 --> 01:04:51,030
looked like an eyeball sort of like

1474
01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,420
dripping mult multi through the wood you

1475
01:04:58,550 --> 01:04:56,220
know kind of going zigzagging between

1476
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:58,560
the trees and then it bursts into five

1477
01:05:04,490 --> 01:05:01,200
lights I mean I love those bizarre

1478
01:05:06,890 --> 01:05:04,500
stories and I've heard I actually gonna

1479
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:06,900
have someone on my show that I was in a

1480
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:08,490
hotel last week I'll just say this

1481
01:05:12,590 --> 01:05:10,950
briefly and I was filling out paperwork

1482
01:05:15,260 --> 01:05:12,600
and I'm here to be brief we got plenty

1483
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:15,270
of time I know but I'm gonna have her on

1484
01:05:19,610 --> 01:05:16,680
my show so I don't want to spoil it for

1485
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:19,620
Milo okay so much but it's a long list

1486
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:21,930
you know she saw a very similar thing

1487
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:23,700
I'm gonna actually call her during my

1488
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:25,980
show and have her tell her story because

1489
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:28,050
I love to hear stories of people that

1490
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:29,940
don't really have an interest in UFOs

1491
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:33,210
but something happened and you know when

1492
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:34,710
I've talked to Charles halt

1493
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:37,920
about that he'll say you know I wish it

1494
01:05:40,940 --> 01:05:38,700
never happened

1495
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,950
I wish it was not part of my life it's

1496
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:42,720
it's caused me more grief than anything

1497
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:44,850
else and I believe him I think he really

1498
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:49,850
feels that way very well I will tell

1499
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:53,640
listeners that know my show to check out

1500
01:05:59,420 --> 01:05:55,380
a couple of those pieces with Ross

1501
01:06:02,210 --> 01:05:59,430
Sharpe who was a RAF officer and a aero

1502
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:02,220
engineer in the Aria retired from the

1503
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:04,260
Royal Air Force and he has a very

1504
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:07,380
interesting take on just the background

1505
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:10,020
behind the physical area of the

1506
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,390
Rendlesham forest that part of England

1507
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:15,480
the bases the underground facilities

1508
01:06:19,310 --> 01:06:17,250
that are there the extensive underground

1509
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:19,320
facilities though they're very

1510
01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:20,550
interesting take from someone who's

1511
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:22,500
originally from England now lives in the

1512
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:23,880
state's very good friend very good

1513
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:26,100
friend of the show so there's some

1514
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:28,020
interesting parts and pieces to that I

1515
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:30,830
will also note that when mr. lair was on

1516
01:06:36,740 --> 01:06:33,030
the show

1517
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:36,750
that is the event that made him a

1518
01:06:42,530 --> 01:06:40,050
believer because he had a friend that

1519
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:42,540
someone he knew eight-ten pilot that was

1520
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,890
stationed in Bentwaters

1521
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:45,839
which is the other connecting area the

1522
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:48,180
other connecting base in that area who

1523
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,760
relaid to bill all the activity that was

1524
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:52,559
going on in the lockdown that they were

1525
01:06:56,660 --> 01:06:55,079
in and the night you know the three or

1526
01:07:00,049 --> 01:06:56,670
so nights that they were going through

1527
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:00,059
these different activity levels and John

1528
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:02,809
just knew that this this man was as

1529
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,010
straight as a came there was just no

1530
01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:07,319
reason for him to be interested and when

1531
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:11,160
he brought these facts out and told him

1532
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:13,890
he was he was intrigued and that's what

1533
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:17,750
sent him on the path that he's on in UFO

1534
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:21,710
discovery and research on his part

1535
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:23,700
interesting case

1536
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:26,970
I've had the Ramseys on a number of

1537
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:29,510
times they're connected with the Aztec

1538
01:07:35,630 --> 01:07:32,569
UFO I think is probably the the best

1539
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:35,640
researched UFO event in the United

1540
01:07:40,339 --> 01:07:37,950
States I think their work is bar none

1541
01:07:43,339 --> 01:07:40,349
the best that's out there what's your

1542
01:07:47,539 --> 01:07:43,349
take on their research and on that

1543
01:07:50,779 --> 01:07:47,549
particular incident actually you know

1544
01:07:53,049 --> 01:07:50,789
I've kind of on the fence on that one

1545
01:07:57,549 --> 01:07:53,059
only because I've heard a number of

1546
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:57,559
people stating that they think that

1547
01:08:02,089 --> 01:08:00,720
basically it's a hoax so I don't know

1548
01:08:05,210 --> 01:08:02,099
you know

1549
01:08:07,009 --> 01:08:05,220
I know that they have done a lot of you

1550
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:07,019
know in-depth research but I just don't

1551
01:08:12,859 --> 01:08:10,380
know how how accurate it is and I I

1552
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:12,869
don't want to make enemies on this show

1553
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:16,049
or enemies of Friends of your show but

1554
01:08:21,019 --> 01:08:18,089
I've heard some mixed you know a lot of

1555
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:21,029
mixed stories on that particular case

1556
01:08:24,769 --> 01:08:22,650
and I don't really know what to believe

1557
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:24,779
there are a number there are a few cases

1558
01:08:33,620 --> 01:08:28,739
out there that I that I have felt that

1559
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:33,630
way about you know and how about the our

1560
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:36,960
most famous of the UFO cases Roswell

1561
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:40,859
that always seems to come up I think

1562
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:43,409
that something happened there there's a

1563
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:45,810
I don't know exactly what happened I

1564
01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:48,299
know there's a I've talked to Mac

1565
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:50,069
Maloney and he says he doesn't think

1566
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:51,279
anything happened there other

1567
01:08:54,689 --> 01:08:53,230
then you know what the Air Force is

1568
01:08:58,410 --> 01:08:54,699
saying but you know the Air Force did

1569
01:09:02,309 --> 01:08:58,420
lie five times on on what actually

1570
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,319
happened you know it's it's possible it

1571
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:04,239
is possible it could have been something

1572
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:05,730
like the Mogul

1573
01:09:13,709 --> 01:09:10,150
that they said it was but I think

1574
01:09:17,339 --> 01:09:13,719
there's there's just too much smoke

1575
01:09:22,109 --> 01:09:17,349
there to say that it was just you know a

1576
01:09:23,459 --> 01:09:22,119
military operation because for one thing

1577
01:09:25,740 --> 01:09:23,469
you know a lot of people have made the

1578
01:09:29,490 --> 01:09:25,750
argument that everything that they used

1579
01:09:33,299 --> 01:09:29,500
in those mogul balloons was you know

1580
01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:33,309
unclassified and nothing unusual you

1581
01:09:37,379 --> 01:09:35,139
know whether it's a string of balloons

1582
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:37,389
it would make the total difference I

1583
01:09:42,539 --> 01:09:40,750
don't know but I think something

1584
01:09:45,599 --> 01:09:42,549
happened in the question I always ask

1585
01:09:48,169 --> 01:09:45,609
people that are totally skeptic of it is

1586
01:09:52,379 --> 01:09:48,179
why on earth would the Air Force ever

1587
01:09:54,959 --> 01:09:52,389
release for the newspapers that they

1588
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:54,969
found a disc in the first place

1589
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,760
I mean it's very simple like if they

1590
01:10:02,399 --> 01:09:59,679
didn't find one or if it was something

1591
01:10:05,010 --> 01:10:02,409
else to say absolutely nothing why did

1592
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:05,020
they have the press release that they

1593
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:09,610
had found a disc there or a craft at all

1594
01:10:12,510 --> 01:10:10,840
why would they do that

1595
01:10:17,549 --> 01:10:12,520
and what's your thoughts on that

1596
01:10:20,129 --> 01:10:17,559
particularly I am a believer on the

1597
01:10:22,049 --> 01:10:20,139
Aztek because of the the level of

1598
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:22,059
research that has been done by the

1599
01:10:29,069 --> 01:10:25,690
Ramseys and dr. Thayer I'm convinced of

1600
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:29,079
its legitimacy that's the vehicle did

1601
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:32,110
crash there there's too many parts and

1602
01:10:37,649 --> 01:10:34,170
pieces that when you look at their

1603
01:10:41,879 --> 01:10:37,659
extensive I mean they have laid out a

1604
01:10:45,390 --> 01:10:41,889
case of legal type findings and in fact

1605
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:45,400
and they keep opinion out of it the

1606
01:10:50,339 --> 01:10:48,250
Roswell thing I tend to follow into max

1607
01:10:55,709 --> 01:10:50,349
camp that there's a lot of stuff that's

1608
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:55,719
there and I'm wondering if if they had a

1609
01:11:01,140 --> 01:10:58,570
set pad the three balloons together I

1610
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:01,150
find interesting because of the

1611
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:03,940
possibility of it being a surveillance

1612
01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:05,050
or a weapon system

1613
01:11:10,140 --> 01:11:07,390
as the Cold War is just starting up the

1614
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:10,150
Japanese sailed numbers of balloons out

1615
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:12,910
of Japan trying to start fires and they

1616
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:15,450
were prepared to put biological agents

1617
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:18,250
into the entity of the mainland the

1618
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:20,710
United States and Canada by bullying

1619
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:23,170
delivery they were they were ready to do

1620
01:11:28,650 --> 01:11:25,120
that they had tried and there's a couple

1621
01:11:30,690 --> 01:11:28,660
small cases where there was the belief

1622
01:11:34,050 --> 01:11:30,700
school teacher was killed when students

1623
01:11:35,580 --> 01:11:34,060
on a field trip in Oregon found one of

1624
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:35,590
the balloons a head crash that had the

1625
01:11:40,740 --> 01:11:38,200
incendiary devices to to set the woods

1626
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:40,750
on fire and I've seen that activity

1627
01:11:46,710 --> 01:11:44,170
that's come up in other ways like it so

1628
01:11:51,480 --> 01:11:46,720
the part about the disc doesn't fit real

1629
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:51,490
well but I have been in enough just kind

1630
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:53,890
of day-to-day operations where there has

1631
01:11:59,700 --> 01:11:57,040
been a mishap and the way that

1632
01:12:05,250 --> 01:11:59,710
information gets transmitted and passed

1633
01:12:08,430 --> 01:12:05,260
initially things will get that screwed

1634
01:12:12,030 --> 01:12:08,440
up I mean you'll have people that are

1635
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:12,040
reported as as killed when they're not

1636
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:16,210
you'll have just a grievous amount of

1637
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:18,340
damage when it's not that way and vice

1638
01:12:22,650 --> 01:12:20,020
versa where you don't think anything bad

1639
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:22,660
has happened so I can understand the

1640
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:25,840
confusion on that I tend to have a I

1641
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:28,840
guess a more sinister or a sneaky

1642
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:31,450
suspicion that somebody pretty early on

1643
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:33,370
realized because of everything that

1644
01:12:41,100 --> 01:12:35,770
happened under the development of the

1645
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:41,110
atomic bomb the the fallout no pun

1646
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:43,330
intended it really wasn't an intended

1647
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:45,010
part of it but from that program the

1648
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:46,690
amount of secrecy the amount of people

1649
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:48,730
that were involved and all the other

1650
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:51,370
activities that were going on around at

1651
01:12:55,740 --> 01:12:53,980
that same time in that area of Roswell

1652
01:12:59,070 --> 01:12:55,750
in that particular part of the region in

1653
01:13:03,060 --> 01:12:59,080
the United States so I think that there

1654
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:03,070
is good case for to go through it and I

1655
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:04,810
think it also was a very telling case

1656
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:08,050
that the government the Air Force

1657
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:10,980
learned very quickly that the press

1658
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:14,110
could be a very useful tool for

1659
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:15,910
disinformation and I think it's a very

1660
01:13:19,029 --> 01:13:18,400
good case of disinformation and how that

1661
01:13:24,279 --> 01:13:19,039
went

1662
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:24,289
I could see I understand where you're

1663
01:13:28,930 --> 01:13:26,510
going with that one of the questions

1664
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:28,940
were that came up that the Air Force

1665
01:13:33,819 --> 01:13:31,130
lied about and it was a very obvious lie

1666
01:13:36,430 --> 01:13:33,829
was that there were a number of people

1667
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:36,440
that say they witnessed bodies small

1668
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:41,449
bodies right and then the Air Force came

1669
01:13:48,069 --> 01:13:46,010
out with they thought it was that there

1670
01:13:51,490 --> 01:13:48,079
were crash-test dummies that were

1671
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:51,500
actually you know parachuted and that

1672
01:13:56,379 --> 01:13:53,420
didn't hold water because they didn't

1673
01:13:59,470 --> 01:13:56,389
start using them until 1952 so that was

1674
01:14:03,250 --> 01:13:59,480
a another lie and they're just just the

1675
01:14:05,259 --> 01:14:03,260
fact that there was lies from the Air

1676
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:05,269
Force about what was going on I

1677
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:06,650
understand what you're saying

1678
01:14:11,229 --> 01:14:08,690
maybe they cover it up that way but

1679
01:14:13,330 --> 01:14:11,239
still when it comes to you know people

1680
01:14:17,229 --> 01:14:13,340
stating that they saw you know figures

1681
01:14:19,899 --> 01:14:17,239
in the desert and you know some there

1682
01:14:21,609 --> 01:14:19,909
was I think some saying that one was

1683
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:21,619
alive you know that type of thing

1684
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:25,760
you know I don't know the one thing I

1685
01:14:30,850 --> 01:14:27,650
think about Roswell I think is

1686
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:30,860
interesting about Roswell is that it's

1687
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:33,110
becoming almost like a myth and it has

1688
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:37,820
to do with as time goes on there's so

1689
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:41,360
much you know there's the annual event

1690
01:14:47,049 --> 01:14:44,690
and there's you know people really like

1691
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:47,059
dressing in costumes and it's getting

1692
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:49,070
you know out there with the tinfoil hats

1693
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:51,409
and I think it's kind of all muddied up

1694
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:55,250
and eventually is going to just be

1695
01:15:00,609 --> 01:14:58,190
something celebrated and no one will

1696
01:15:02,379 --> 01:15:00,619
even have any answers because all the

1697
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:02,389
people that were involved all the

1698
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:06,170
witnesses now are either dead or there's

1699
01:15:10,859 --> 01:15:07,570
only I think there's only a couple left

1700
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:10,869
that actually claim they saw something

1701
01:15:17,799 --> 01:15:14,000
which I know you know Stan Freedman

1702
01:15:20,529 --> 01:15:17,809
started and then Don Schmidt and Kerry

1703
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:20,539
we're doing you know interviews with

1704
01:15:25,049 --> 01:15:22,190
people that claimed they witnessed

1705
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:25,059
things I think it's an interesting case

1706
01:15:32,259 --> 01:15:30,050
it's certainly it's not resolved and I

1707
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:32,269
you know I sort of have mixed feelings

1708
01:15:35,020 --> 01:15:32,870
about a

1709
01:15:36,460 --> 01:15:35,030
I think something happened and I'm not

1710
01:15:38,350 --> 01:15:36,470
sure if what you're talking about is

1711
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:38,360
what the answer is or not I really don't

1712
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:44,570
know turning towards New England the

1713
01:15:50,260 --> 01:15:47,360
hills what do you think of their case I

1714
01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:50,270
think it's very interesting before we go

1715
01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:51,980
there just quickly for your listener

1716
01:15:58,240 --> 01:15:55,670
that was in North Carolina that Lee text

1717
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:58,250
me that location of that town was

1718
01:16:02,230 --> 01:16:00,560
Lumberton Lumberton North Carolina

1719
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:02,240
that's where they threw there many times

1720
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:05,930
Oh have you uh-huh oh yeah the Betty and

1721
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:08,450
Barney Hill case I think is pretty

1722
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:10,610
interesting I know of the niece Kathy

1723
01:16:20,170 --> 01:16:14,470
Martin fairly well we talked a bit in

1724
01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:20,180
very nice lady I think that oh and by

1725
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:22,190
the way the last time I had her on my

1726
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:25,190
show she actually broke down she was

1727
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:27,110
upset that she broke down on camera

1728
01:16:33,070 --> 01:16:29,450
actually out in Phoenix when I had her

1729
01:16:36,340 --> 01:16:33,080
on the show because of what Betty and

1730
01:16:40,030 --> 01:16:36,350
Barney had gone through it was very

1731
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:40,040
traumatic for them and it was very sad

1732
01:16:44,650 --> 01:16:42,410
and they just didn't know where to turn

1733
01:16:48,010 --> 01:16:44,660
once the story got out they didn't leak

1734
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:48,020
the story the story got out and they had

1735
01:16:51,390 --> 01:16:49,850
to decide she said she was right there

1736
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:51,400
when they made the decision to either

1737
01:16:56,980 --> 01:16:54,290
you know run forward or face it and they

1738
01:17:01,120 --> 01:16:56,990
decided to face it and that really was

1739
01:17:02,500 --> 01:17:01,130
very emotional time and you know really

1740
01:17:04,450 --> 01:17:02,510
upset Kathie to think about their

1741
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:04,460
situation at the time they did go

1742
01:17:10,420 --> 01:17:07,550
through a lot of grief that case I know

1743
01:17:13,870 --> 01:17:10,430
I a lot of people or some people think

1744
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:13,880
that it never happened or that you know

1745
01:17:18,190 --> 01:17:15,290
something happened and they saw the

1746
01:17:19,660 --> 01:17:18,200
light up on the mountain instead they

1747
01:17:21,630 --> 01:17:19,670
saw the jack-o'-lantern at the

1748
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:21,640
jack-o'-lantern restaurant instead of

1749
01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:24,290
you know a craft there's a lot of people

1750
01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:25,910
you know trying to put holes in it I

1751
01:17:30,310 --> 01:17:28,070
think it's I think something happened

1752
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:30,320
along with you know some other cases

1753
01:17:36,670 --> 01:17:34,430
that are you know really you know

1754
01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:36,680
well-known they seem like they're out

1755
01:17:41,980 --> 01:17:39,920
there for instance the allagash case I

1756
01:17:43,180 --> 01:17:41,990
think something really happened there -

1757
01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:43,190
I don't know if you've looked into that

1758
01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:44,590
yourself but

1759
01:17:52,710 --> 01:17:46,900
that is quite agreed on the allagash

1760
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:52,720
case there's enough there my you made a

1761
01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:54,850
remark about the tinfoil hat so a a

1762
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,590
little bit tongue-in-cheek as I say this

1763
01:18:05,490 --> 01:17:58,480
but there's nothing wrong with putting

1764
01:18:07,140 --> 01:18:05,500
tinfoil in your hat and some of the best

1765
01:18:09,620 --> 01:18:07,150
teachers I've had some of the best

1766
01:18:12,810 --> 01:18:09,630
sources of information some of the most

1767
01:18:16,230 --> 01:18:12,820
candid people I've been with have been

1768
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:16,240
the least formally educated folks that

1769
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:20,650
you can imagine so I understand what

1770
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:22,690
what the remark means and I and I do

1771
01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:26,590
laugh with it because it's it's part of

1772
01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:27,670
our culture and it's part of the

1773
01:18:31,860 --> 01:18:30,280
phenomena that goes on with that but

1774
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,870
it's sort of like that expression

1775
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:33,520
just because you are paranoid doesn't

1776
01:18:38,670 --> 01:18:35,890
mean they're not after you okay there is

1777
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:38,680
you know there is that part of it I'll

1778
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,090
you know allagash yeah there's

1779
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:43,120
definitely there's just too much that

1780
01:18:49,770 --> 01:18:46,450
happens that I don't understand there

1781
01:18:51,090 --> 01:18:49,780
are I will not go into depth of folks

1782
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:51,100
that have presented stuff that they've

1783
01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:54,010
talked about and they have nothing to

1784
01:19:00,810 --> 01:18:56,260
substantiate a way to back it up

1785
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,820
I I believe that they believe what

1786
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:02,320
they're saying I believe that they've

1787
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:04,930
had some kind of an experience and this

1788
01:19:09,810 --> 01:19:06,640
is what they've connected it to this is

1789
01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:09,820
what they're saying it is so on that

1790
01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:11,110
same line this is the one I want to

1791
01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:13,060
drive to missile Azhar what do you think

1792
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:15,740
of him and his claims from area 51

1793
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:17,110
[Music]

1794
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:22,410
you know the the best part of Bob Lazar

1795
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:26,110
is George Knapp I know that sounds kind

1796
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:28,090
of funny but I think the world of George

1797
01:19:35,310 --> 01:19:32,950
Knapp he's very a very good broadcaster

1798
01:19:38,700 --> 01:19:35,320
first of all but also a very good

1799
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:38,710
journalist and takes a lot of caution

1800
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:41,830
that's the only type of validity that I

1801
01:19:47,730 --> 01:19:45,430
could possibly see now I know there are

1802
01:19:52,290 --> 01:19:47,740
so many holes and how we get his

1803
01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:52,300
education and he probably did not go to

1804
01:19:56,959 --> 01:19:55,000
MIT like he said because you know that

1805
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,969
alive

1806
01:20:02,240 --> 01:19:59,280
interview someone asked him what's the

1807
01:20:05,209 --> 01:20:02,250
monument outside of MIT or what's the

1808
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:05,219
square and he couldn't answer that and

1809
01:20:09,260 --> 01:20:06,690
everybody that it would ever go there

1810
01:20:13,729 --> 01:20:09,270
would absolutely know that question so

1811
01:20:18,169 --> 01:20:13,739
whether he somehow got in to area 51

1812
01:20:18,530 --> 01:20:18,179
without having the education I don't

1813
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:18,540
know

1814
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:28,320
will say this there's absolutely no

1815
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:30,600
doubt about it that Bob Lazar is highly

1816
01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:35,130
intelligent but whether he actually when

1817
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:36,840
his story falls apart and he actually

1818
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:38,730
did not go to these schools that he says

1819
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:43,290
he went to being finding a fine art in

1820
01:20:52,220 --> 01:20:48,120
antique appraiser we come across a lot

1821
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,230
of fakes and once we come across a fake

1822
01:20:56,540 --> 01:20:54,000
and a house for instance if I'm doing an

1823
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:56,550
appraisal and I'm in a house and I see a

1824
01:20:59,570 --> 01:20:58,320
fake painting and I right away I can

1825
01:21:01,100 --> 01:20:59,580
tell it's a fake sometimes you have to

1826
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:01,110
do a lot of research before you can tell

1827
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:04,440
but everything is suspect and that's how

1828
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:07,710
I feel about the mj-12 documents that's

1829
01:21:14,330 --> 01:21:12,210
how I feel about Bob Lazar like once

1830
01:21:18,979 --> 01:21:14,340
there are some untruths that are

1831
01:21:21,770 --> 01:21:18,989
uncovered how can you possibly believe

1832
01:21:28,459 --> 01:21:21,780
the rest of it you know that's kind of

1833
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:28,469
how I feel mm-hmm do you think that we

1834
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:31,650
have alien extraterrestrial aliens

1835
01:21:39,979 --> 01:21:37,590
living amongst us now hmm in my gut my

1836
01:21:44,030 --> 01:21:39,989
gut feeling is I don't think so but

1837
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:44,040
that's only an opinion I think I think

1838
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:45,710
there's a lot of people that really do

1839
01:21:53,090 --> 01:21:49,380
think that but I don't I'm not feeling

1840
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:53,100
it you know I just think that it would

1841
01:22:00,680 --> 01:21:58,860
be a little too obvious but okay I'm not

1842
01:22:02,780 --> 01:22:00,690
ruling it out totally it's just I don't

1843
01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:02,790
know I mean I don't know rational I

1844
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:04,860
don't think any reasonable rule any of

1845
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:06,810
it out I mean it's just fair did you

1846
01:22:10,340 --> 01:22:09,120
know you state your how you would you

1847
01:22:12,260 --> 01:22:10,350
some eyes based on what you

1848
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:12,270
your experience has been okay I'm

1849
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:13,890
getting the flash that were coming up to

1850
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:16,560
the end of this block Mark Dantonio is

1851
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:18,720
gonna join us on the on the next part

1852
01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:25,560
well that should be fun um do you think

1853
01:22:32,180 --> 01:22:29,190
this year 18 going into 19 we're going

1854
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:32,190
to see the major breaker that's going to

1855
01:22:40,190 --> 01:22:36,650
put the evidence on on the world stage

1856
01:22:42,110 --> 01:22:40,200
that we are not the only beings that we

1857
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:42,120
have been visit we've had encounters

1858
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:45,000
that this UFO the extra-terrestrial part

1859
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:50,640
of it is is true I think that we are by

1860
01:22:55,420 --> 01:22:53,310
the way Lee Spiegel just text me he

1861
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:55,430
thinks that aliens are living among us

1862
01:23:03,920 --> 01:22:57,690
so is that he's listening to the show

1863
01:23:08,420 --> 01:23:03,930
hey I think that I think it's very

1864
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:08,430
possible because I think if nothing else

1865
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:13,070
that that New York Times article and

1866
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:16,500
Elizondo and to the people like to the

1867
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:18,330
stars there's a lot of little this kind

1868
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:20,940
of bashing about them out there but I

1869
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,000
think that it's possible I think they've

1870
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:27,360
opened up the door to at least a serious

1871
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,360
look and I keep feeling like we're on

1872
01:23:37,310 --> 01:23:32,880
the edge of discovering life out there

1873
01:23:39,140 --> 01:23:37,320
somehow somewhere I feel like we're very

1874
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:39,150
close to that and I hope I see that in

1875
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:41,210
my lifetime but I don't know for sure

1876
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:43,620
you listening a task force Griffin on

1877
01:23:50,270 --> 01:23:46,620
kgr radio KGA radio calm my guest

1878
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:50,280
tonight mr. Martin Willis been an

1879
01:23:56,660 --> 01:23:54,060
unbelievably fast 90 minutes here that

1880
01:23:58,340 --> 01:23:56,670
we've gone by here that's right

1881
01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:58,350
and we'll be returning for our last

1882
01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:00,030
block Marc Dantonio joining us

1883
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:02,760
task force Griffin kg our radio talking

1884
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:04,050
to the greatest audience on the planet

1885
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:06,380
please join us three minutes

1886
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:09,300
clear all right let's get Marc on and

1887
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:12,330
speedy recovery I hope that Leif Spiegel

1888
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:13,500
is doing better because I know he was

1889
01:24:21,260 --> 01:24:15,540
under the weather for a bit yeah yeah

1890
01:24:23,450 --> 01:24:21,270
he's doing he's doing good good earmark

1891
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:23,460
I'll see if I get mark and video I'll

1892
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:28,170
squeeze me over here and let's see let's

1893
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:32,250
see if Mark has this video up mark do

1894
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,800
you got video capability right now so we

1895
01:24:43,670 --> 01:24:36,480
can share it on yon Martin Willis is

1896
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:43,680
YouTube I wish I did and this camera and

1897
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:46,140
Mark be ready you were hot the YouTube

1898
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:48,239
channels is exact yeah yeah we're

1899
01:24:52,580 --> 01:24:49,650
actually going over YouTube how you

1900
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:52,590
doing mark good good I know we've been

1901
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:54,030
texting back and forth but I've been

1902
01:24:57,500 --> 01:24:57,150
talking we have yeah yeah you don't text

1903
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:57,510
me

1904
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:00,480
thanks 90 see where I stand he doesn't

1905
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:02,340
exactly that's exactly right

1906
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:06,750
no no Martin and I were talking because

1907
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:10,860
there was a possible show that we were I

1908
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:12,690
was supposed to be or asked to be got

1909
01:25:19,220 --> 01:25:15,870
part of but they didn't they didn't

1910
01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:19,230
pursue it you know they wanted to they

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01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:20,460
only want to but it didn't matter you

1912
01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:21,810
know it's like it yeah it so many things

1913
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:24,300
going on it it's okay let me see here

1914
01:25:28,190 --> 01:25:27,450
how do I get this uh I'm all duded up

1915
01:25:30,650 --> 01:25:28,200
for you by the way

1916
01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:30,660
oh look at you that's you know what

1917
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:32,040
that's usually the photograph I see

1918
01:25:38,209 --> 01:25:35,940
that's a moving picture that's you so

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01:25:40,580 --> 01:25:38,219
cool look at you

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01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:40,590
Wow I'm going to look while you're doing

1921
01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:41,850
that I'm going to look in the chat room

1922
01:25:46,540 --> 01:25:43,430
to see if we have any questions in there

1923
01:25:49,970 --> 01:25:46,550
but I continue on youtube if you'd like

1924
01:25:54,590 --> 01:25:49,980
yeah we don't need much of an invitation

1925
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,600
to get into our furball that's how

1926
01:26:02,690 --> 01:25:57,120
you've been feeling there old man hey

1927
01:26:07,130 --> 01:26:02,700
talking to Bill oh I'm fine good right

1928
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:07,140
so uh bill wears a we're say how can I

1929
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:08,730
get my video on this camera to work got

1930
01:26:13,940 --> 01:26:10,530
to start this all over here with Skype

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01:26:17,390 --> 01:26:13,950
or what well yeah you may go to tools

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:17,400
options no settings and just simply take

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:21,410
the line out of the camera the video USB

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01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:24,410
yeah you should be

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01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:29,010
let me see just make sure or this video

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01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:31,560
settings okay oh look it's gonna work

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01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:34,920
okay so now I'll just say

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01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:37,530
at least am I in does it work in now oh

1939
01:26:44,209 --> 01:26:41,570
yeah yeah you don't say it okay hold on

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01:26:48,530 --> 01:26:44,219
take a little line out of the video part

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01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:48,540
on the call yeah yep you're right I can

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01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:49,830
see it I got to turn it on okay so it

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01:26:58,729 --> 01:26:55,860
was there it just had to do this all

1944
01:27:00,890 --> 01:26:58,739
right I'll do some adjustments here yeah

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01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:00,900
I'm a little tiny picture I'm using a

1946
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:04,080
document reading web webcam that I

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01:27:08,390 --> 01:27:06,510
actually use in the observatory for it's

1948
01:27:11,060 --> 01:27:08,400
like a little insect camera about that

1949
01:27:12,859 --> 01:27:11,070
size actually all right green gentlemen

1950
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:12,869
were coming back in about 10 seconds I

1951
01:27:16,370 --> 01:27:14,520
might have to fight back and forth

1952
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:16,380
between you two very nice it seemed to

1953
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:18,810
get both of you on okay okay

1954
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:22,790
in three two one go

1955
01:27:27,709 --> 01:27:24,900
welcome back to task force Griffin on

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01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:27,719
kgr radio KGA radio comm my guest night

1957
01:27:33,410 --> 01:27:30,270
Mart Wallace just been joined by by next

1958
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:33,420
guest Mark Dantonio we all know follows

1959
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:35,489
this show and a few minutes with his

1960
01:27:41,180 --> 01:27:39,330
outstanding efforts you folks that are

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01:27:42,919 --> 01:27:41,190
on YouTube and hearing the getting us

1962
01:27:45,979 --> 01:27:42,929
set up in the background so a lot of the

1963
01:27:47,450 --> 01:27:45,989
mystery a lot of the intrigue has been

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01:27:50,109 --> 01:27:47,460
left on the floor a few here I was

1965
01:27:53,780 --> 01:27:50,119
trying to get everybody stuff on and

1966
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:53,790
insect cameras and aces of spades being

1967
01:27:57,979 --> 01:27:56,310
thrown around and things like that

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01:27:59,780 --> 01:27:57,989
good evening to both you gentlemen thank

1969
01:28:01,399 --> 01:27:59,790
you for joining us and talking to the

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01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:01,409
greatest audience on the planet

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01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:04,170
mark anyone know Martin already correct

1972
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:04,800
I do

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01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:08,280
Martin's a good friend yeah yes thank

1974
01:28:12,859 --> 01:28:10,440
you for allowing me to basically cut in

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01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:12,869
on his time here tonight well it's

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01:28:16,939 --> 01:28:14,639
really it's up to Martin he was very

1977
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:16,949
excited that knowing that you wanted to

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01:28:23,570 --> 01:28:21,510
jump on and we love your show and oh I

1979
01:28:25,700 --> 01:28:23,580
love you it's always fun well thank you

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01:28:28,430 --> 01:28:25,710
it's always fun together here's a love

1981
01:28:28,879 --> 01:28:28,440
fest yeah yeah and that's not a bad

1982
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:28,889
thing

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01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:31,679
yeah so let me ask you both a quick

1984
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:35,310
couple questions where you think things

1985
01:28:44,419 --> 01:28:42,960
are at I am I'm I'm torn between two

1986
01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:44,429
parts some of the guests that I've had

1987
01:28:48,739 --> 01:28:47,070
on I'm convinced that in this year 18

1988
01:28:52,489 --> 01:28:48,749
going into 19

1989
01:28:56,779 --> 01:28:52,499
we're going to have a major breakthrough

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01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,789
in truth or information and it's going

1991
01:29:02,719 --> 01:28:59,340
to be around our UFO extraterrestrial

1992
01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:02,729
and other and our other activities it

1993
01:29:09,229 --> 01:29:04,199
could be something in just in in the

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01:29:11,569 --> 01:29:09,239
area of technology when we left the last

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01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:11,579
section Martin you kind of thought that

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01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:13,289
that possibility is there I don't put

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01:29:16,819 --> 01:29:14,130
words in your mouth

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01:29:19,759 --> 01:29:16,829
what do you both think about that do you

1999
01:29:21,649 --> 01:29:19,769
think that we're at this point that

2000
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:21,659
we're that the the pressure is building

2001
01:29:25,939 --> 01:29:24,659
to the point now that I think the reason

2002
01:29:28,250 --> 01:29:25,949
that we are in the difficult that we're

2003
01:29:30,259 --> 01:29:28,260
in is we got so used to lying and got

2004
01:29:33,649 --> 01:29:30,269
used to lying in the name of national

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01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:33,659
security and that's an easy label to

2006
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:35,070
throw on I mean the times that we've

2007
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:36,449
been living through products of the last

2008
01:29:40,899 --> 01:29:39,960
10 15 years a lot of bad things have

2009
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:40,909
happened

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01:29:48,410 --> 01:29:44,400
stamp on it national security and that's

2011
01:29:50,779 --> 01:29:48,420
the reason why you try to bury it I'll

2012
01:29:52,489 --> 01:29:50,789
let you cut makes it I think makes the

2013
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:52,499
truth coming out very difficult because

2014
01:29:57,229 --> 01:29:55,170
we now live in an age that you can go

2015
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:57,239
back and find out well we knew this for

2016
01:30:03,759 --> 01:30:02,219
20 years 30 years 40 years actually I do

2017
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:03,769
have something I can say about that

2018
01:30:10,069 --> 01:30:07,710
commander I really like your love your

2019
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,079
helmet man that's great it's great

2020
01:30:15,500 --> 01:30:12,719
anyway and yeah these are very good boy

2021
01:30:19,330 --> 01:30:15,510
you might get one oh you kidding me I

2022
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:19,340
love this just try one on yeah now the

2023
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:23,010
tain't your question I know for a fact

2024
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:25,139
and and this was just from my experience

2025
01:30:29,540 --> 01:30:27,570
that there were some really weird things

2026
01:30:31,459 --> 01:30:29,550
that I have witnessed you know in my

2027
01:30:32,989 --> 01:30:31,469
life you know I'm a science guy so again

2028
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:32,999
I've said this often enough that people

2029
01:30:36,529 --> 01:30:34,650
say yeah yeah he's saying this again but

2030
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,539
you know these things don't happen to me

2031
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:38,159
until they do then what do you do with

2032
01:30:42,939 --> 01:30:39,900
it you know you've got to do something

2033
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:42,949
with what you experience so in my case

2034
01:30:47,540 --> 01:30:45,210
you know that I had that experience when

2035
01:30:50,750 --> 01:30:47,550
I was on board that submarine brand I

2036
01:30:55,819 --> 01:30:50,760
can't shake that and that was something

2037
01:30:58,810 --> 01:30:55,829
that was secretive back then program

2038
01:31:02,420 --> 01:30:58,820
that was continuing from years past and

2039
01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:02,430
it continued to be enforced

2040
01:31:07,190 --> 01:31:05,340
for many years so after that I think um

2041
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:07,200
because it was many years after that

2042
01:31:12,230 --> 01:31:09,360
when I actually talked to the folks and

2043
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:12,240
the higher-ups in the Navy who basically

2044
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:14,130
worked directly for the president and I

2045
01:31:17,540 --> 01:31:16,110
asked them you know asked one particular

2046
01:31:19,130 --> 01:31:17,550
guy you know what can you tell me about

2047
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,140
that and he basically said he can't talk

2048
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:21,120
about that program now he could have

2049
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:22,530
said what program I know what you're

2050
01:31:26,300 --> 01:31:24,840
talking about but he didn't he said I

2051
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:26,310
can't talk about that particular program

2052
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:28,440
I thought that was an interesting

2053
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:31,170
response because that was him saying I'm

2054
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,820
not gonna tell you anything but by not

2055
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:34,320
saying anything I'll say in a way that

2056
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:35,730
will make you understand it's still

2057
01:31:39,620 --> 01:31:38,130
going on I'd love to tell you but they

2058
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:39,630
can't kind of a thing you know that's

2059
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:41,850
just something there there is and that

2060
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:43,890
was something that I've kind of always

2061
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:46,290
knew in my head the Russians came out

2062
01:31:49,010 --> 01:31:47,520
and said that there were these unknown

2063
01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:49,020
submerged objects moving at high speed

2064
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:51,900
underwater other navies have said that

2065
01:31:57,710 --> 01:31:54,510
these things have been out there you

2066
01:31:59,960 --> 01:31:57,720
know I don't I make no bones about the

2067
01:32:02,600 --> 01:31:59,970
fact I have no idea what they really are

2068
01:32:04,370 --> 01:32:02,610
are the extra-terrestrial well we said

2069
01:32:07,130 --> 01:32:04,380
we tend to leap toward that don't we you

2070
01:32:08,780 --> 01:32:07,140
know we crossed that wide gulf you know

2071
01:32:11,450 --> 01:32:08,790
going by all the other potential

2072
01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:11,460
possibilities and leap into aliens all

2073
01:32:16,190 --> 01:32:14,190
the time you know we see that giorgio

2074
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:16,200
means you know that says it's aliens you

2075
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:18,960
know but the fact is we don't know what

2076
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:20,400
it is and the fact that we don't know

2077
01:32:23,540 --> 01:32:20,810
what it is

2078
01:32:26,570 --> 01:32:23,550
leads us down the path that may take us

2079
01:32:27,890 --> 01:32:26,580
to that position because we don't know

2080
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:27,900
of anything on the planet that can do

2081
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:30,810
what we see so that's where I leave it I

2082
01:32:35,620 --> 01:32:32,520
say I don't know what it is but it's

2083
01:32:38,900 --> 01:32:35,630
something that we don't understand and

2084
01:32:44,260 --> 01:32:38,910
commander doom I asked my mind if I

2085
01:32:47,780 --> 01:32:44,270
asked mark a question not so so mark

2086
01:32:52,460 --> 01:32:47,790
being an astronomer the question I have

2087
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:52,470
for you is if there is in fact possibly

2088
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:56,130
billions of planets out there possibly

2089
01:33:00,530 --> 01:32:57,930
even in our solar system that may be

2090
01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:00,540
harboring intelligent life just say if

2091
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:04,380
there is why on earth would we be so

2092
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:06,570
special that they would be here visiting

2093
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:09,050
us why would you think that would happen

2094
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:13,010
well if you go back to Sumeria ancient

2095
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:16,110
Sumeria and you you consider the

2096
01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:16,650
cuneiform

2097
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:18,360
language which was pretty much the first

2098
01:33:25,610 --> 01:33:22,710
written history that you know uh Homo

2099
01:33:28,209 --> 01:33:25,620
sapiens started to keep track of you

2100
01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:28,219
find that we've been around in that case

2101
01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:30,300
historically keeping records for about

2102
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:32,580
five thousand years we don't count the

2103
01:33:36,830 --> 01:33:35,130
cave pictographs and the petroglyphs

2104
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:36,840
pecked into cliffs and stuff like that I

2105
01:33:41,149 --> 01:33:39,120
mean I do but I mean in this particular

2106
01:33:42,620 --> 01:33:41,159
case let's just for the record just

2107
01:33:43,820 --> 01:33:42,630
state that I'm gonna take it from say

2108
01:33:46,130 --> 01:33:43,830
cuneiform for word

2109
01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:46,140
so from that point of view if you look

2110
01:33:53,540 --> 01:33:49,800
at if you look at what happened you know

2111
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:53,550
in that five thousand years we we were

2112
01:33:57,649 --> 01:33:55,530
bred to be a very curious species we

2113
01:34:00,800 --> 01:33:57,659
evolved to be very curious we wanted

2114
01:34:04,010 --> 01:34:00,810
answers why why does a species evolve a

2115
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,020
need to look for answers why is the

2116
01:34:08,780 --> 01:34:06,480
species care where they come from okay

2117
01:34:12,500 --> 01:34:08,790
this is something that you know I don't

2118
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:12,510
have an answer for but the one thing I

2119
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:15,170
can say is this may might be a template

2120
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:18,719
that the universe provides for based on

2121
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:21,090
how we were built from these amino acids

2122
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,370
these particular chemistry that came

2123
01:34:28,070 --> 01:34:25,440
together the DNA of deoxyribonucleic

2124
01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:28,080
acid that we're all made of maybe this

2125
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:31,380
is something that has in it within it a

2126
01:34:37,310 --> 01:34:34,530
template of sorts okay is example all

2127
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:37,320
higher life-forms on this planet have

2128
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:39,480
bilateral symmetry in the way that they

2129
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:41,250
interact with their world their internal

2130
01:34:43,939 --> 01:34:42,570
organs are arranged all differently but

2131
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:43,949
they have symmetry on the outside they

2132
01:34:47,300 --> 01:34:45,840
interact with their world well that's a

2133
01:34:48,740 --> 01:34:47,310
template see that's what I'm getting at

2134
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:48,750
that's a template provided by the

2135
01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:50,460
universe and the way the life formed on

2136
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:52,590
this planet that all these higher

2137
01:34:56,450 --> 01:34:54,210
life-forms will have that type of

2138
01:34:59,000 --> 01:34:56,460
symmetry we didn't have to have symmetry

2139
01:35:00,919 --> 01:34:59,010
I mean why don't we have pogo stick cows

2140
01:35:03,649 --> 01:35:00,929
Boing Boing Boing Boing hopping around

2141
01:35:06,020 --> 01:35:03,659
pastures we don't because the symmetry

2142
01:35:08,090 --> 01:35:06,030
is required it's somehow required for

2143
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:08,100
life so that's what I mean by template

2144
01:35:11,930 --> 01:35:09,840
so if there's a template for the way

2145
01:35:15,229 --> 01:35:11,940
life develops then maybe there's a

2146
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:15,239
template for the way the beings think so

2147
01:35:20,899 --> 01:35:17,730
if we're gonna go and look for life

2148
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:20,909
elsewhere because we're curious then I

2149
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:22,710
suspect that there's other beings out

2150
01:35:26,270 --> 01:35:24,000
there they're just as curious and are

2151
01:35:29,540 --> 01:35:26,280
doing the same thing now what would they

2152
01:35:30,590 --> 01:35:29,550
look for we know look what happened

2153
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:30,600
there's something the

2154
01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:34,410
well if they can cross if they can cross

2155
01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:36,390
the gulf between the stars then eating

2156
01:35:41,620 --> 01:35:38,070
is not one of their big problems okay

2157
01:35:44,860 --> 01:35:41,630
because they so so using your example

2158
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:44,870
people that take Lear jets to fly a

2159
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:47,850
specific kind of tuna or beef from one

2160
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,970
part of the globe to the other when they

2161
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:53,520
could get something locally grown you

2162
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:55,530
don't see that an extra extraterrestrial

2163
01:36:01,700 --> 01:35:58,980
scale I think that we have to talk about

2164
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:01,710
scale actually we need to talk about the

2165
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:04,800
scale of these events if an

2166
01:36:09,710 --> 01:36:06,930
extraterrestrial species is coming from

2167
01:36:13,580 --> 01:36:09,720
say the nearest star 4.3 light years

2168
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:13,590
away the energy requirement to get here

2169
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:16,020
from there even with what we see now in

2170
01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:18,870
our limited existence only you know

2171
01:36:24,140 --> 01:36:21,480
5,000 years of you know uniform forward

2172
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:24,150
ok written history okay in that time

2173
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,400
frame we see ways to defeat the speed of

2174
01:36:32,270 --> 01:36:28,560
light as a light speed as a speed light

2175
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:32,280
speed limit right right so another race

2176
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:34,020
but also but we see that there are

2177
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:35,760
stupendous amounts of energy that we

2178
01:36:40,970 --> 01:36:37,650
require to do that to actually beat that

2179
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:40,980
limit so another race would also have

2180
01:36:45,380 --> 01:36:43,260
that and that technology would be very

2181
01:36:48,860 --> 01:36:45,390
expensive because the energy would be a

2182
01:36:52,700 --> 01:36:48,870
commodity in any civilization where this

2183
01:36:53,780 --> 01:36:52,710
becomes a thing so you do have on this

2184
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:53,790
planet the ultra-wealthy

2185
01:36:59,300 --> 01:36:55,770
who might fly to Paris to have a steak

2186
01:37:02,410 --> 01:36:59,310
and french wine and then fly back to New

2187
01:37:05,210 --> 01:37:02,420
York okay in their in their private jet

2188
01:37:06,980 --> 01:37:05,220
but the scale of that travel the cost of

2189
01:37:09,890 --> 01:37:06,990
that travel is something that's absorbed

2190
01:37:12,140 --> 01:37:09,900
within that person's wealth packet okay

2191
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:12,150
what the ball of wealth that one person

2192
01:37:19,390 --> 01:37:15,450
that one you know family has per se okay

2193
01:37:23,420 --> 01:37:19,400
now an extraterrestrial species probably

2194
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:23,430
has to have gone planet wide and have

2195
01:37:27,710 --> 01:37:25,770
this consensus among everyone on the

2196
01:37:29,690 --> 01:37:27,720
planet every being that's intelligent

2197
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:29,700
that they're gonna travel to another

2198
01:37:34,940 --> 01:37:32,450
star and to do that is gonna require

2199
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:34,950
stupendous amounts of energy even if

2200
01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,410
you're in advanced species and you're

2201
01:37:42,350 --> 01:37:40,320
gonna have to use some of that energy in

2202
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:42,360
order to do it I don't think they're

2203
01:37:47,390 --> 01:37:44,310
going to travel here too

2204
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:47,400
commander cobra and make him lunch all

2205
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:50,010
right I mean I am an acquired taste but

2206
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:52,850
that doesn't need to really be said here

2207
01:37:56,900 --> 01:37:55,290
I'm not gonna I won't

2208
01:37:58,340 --> 01:37:56,910
I will not go there you've got you got a

2209
01:38:01,220 --> 01:37:58,350
cool helmet on and you might not let me

2210
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,230
try it on if I don't that you know agree

2211
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,840
with you but uh yeah I just think that

2212
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,480
we have a lot there's a lot of

2213
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:08,880
considerations and and an alien species

2214
01:38:14,570 --> 01:38:12,030
if they're curious if curiosity is also

2215
01:38:16,940 --> 01:38:14,580
a template to life in the universe then

2216
01:38:20,290 --> 01:38:16,950
I think an alien species is probably

2217
01:38:22,670 --> 01:38:20,300
gonna look for beings like themselves

2218
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:22,680
all right and the reason they would look

2219
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:24,210
for beings like themselves is because of

2220
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:27,930
the fact that that's what we do and why

2221
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:29,850
should they be any different you know

2222
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:31,890
they may not have the same morality as

2223
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:34,410
us for instance and that that could be

2224
01:38:38,229 --> 01:38:35,820
possible they might not have the same

2225
01:38:41,150 --> 01:38:38,239
philosophies of course and were the same

2226
01:38:43,370 --> 01:38:41,160
cultural beliefs naturally but they'll

2227
01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:43,380
be different in the same way that the

2228
01:38:48,050 --> 01:38:46,230
Rapanui on Easter Island were different

2229
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:48,060
to the Polynesian island there's the

2230
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:50,370
first time they found them you know that

2231
01:38:54,970 --> 01:38:52,260
was a very different you know a very

2232
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:54,980
different meeting for sure you know so

2233
01:39:00,320 --> 01:38:58,320
and I think that a the science is what

2234
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:00,330
stands between us our science level and

2235
01:39:03,530 --> 01:39:01,530
their science level is what stands

2236
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:03,540
between us right now that separates us

2237
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:05,970
if we have if we have an acquired

2238
01:39:10,729 --> 01:39:07,650
science that we get this and take us to

2239
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,739
the stars then we're gonna be more on

2240
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:12,960
more uneven more uneven footing with

2241
01:39:17,540 --> 01:39:15,090
them and that maybe that maybe that's a

2242
01:39:19,820 --> 01:39:17,550
concern you know I might be concerned

2243
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,830
that these crazy beings are gonna come

2244
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:21,840
to my planet or come to my my star

2245
01:39:27,020 --> 01:39:24,810
system but if they're gonna search for

2246
01:39:31,190 --> 01:39:27,030
life elsewhere I think that they're

2247
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:31,200
gonna look for the the chemicals in the

2248
01:39:36,260 --> 01:39:34,560
atmosphere that they need to live and

2249
01:39:40,190 --> 01:39:36,270
see if it's in our atmosphere

2250
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:40,200
no we evolved a carbon-based and we

2251
01:39:45,260 --> 01:39:43,890
evolved to breathe oxygen so they're

2252
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:45,270
gonna look for planets that perhaps have

2253
01:39:51,850 --> 01:39:48,050
oxygen if they have the same developer

2254
01:39:55,729 --> 01:39:51,860
so we would stand out quite easily

2255
01:39:57,830 --> 01:39:55,739
actually as a planet surrounding a

2256
01:39:59,740 --> 01:39:57,840
relatively normal star

2257
01:40:02,450 --> 01:39:59,750
that has an oxygenated atmosphere

2258
01:40:04,939 --> 01:40:02,460
because anytime you have oxygen in an

2259
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:04,949
atmosphere it's really not supposed to

2260
01:40:07,580 --> 01:40:05,489
be there

2261
01:40:09,290 --> 01:40:07,590
our planet is has not been in

2262
01:40:10,939 --> 01:40:09,300
equilibrium since life began in this

2263
01:40:13,370 --> 01:40:10,949
planet it's actually in what's called

2264
01:40:15,950 --> 01:40:13,380
disequilibrium we don't have an

2265
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:15,960
equilibrium setting on our planet that's

2266
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:18,810
been met okay only way back in the

2267
01:40:21,260 --> 01:40:19,770
beginning when the earth was first

2268
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:21,270
formed but after the atmosphere came

2269
01:40:25,070 --> 01:40:23,400
along and most importantly in life you

2270
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:25,080
know these you know 3.8 billion years

2271
01:40:29,419 --> 01:40:27,360
ago these cyanobacteria that started

2272
01:40:30,979 --> 01:40:29,429
pumping oxygen into the atmosphere the

2273
01:40:32,959 --> 01:40:30,989
oceans which started sucking up carbon

2274
01:40:36,140 --> 01:40:32,969
dioxide thus making the atmosphere

2275
01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:36,150
thinner and more palatable for more life

2276
01:40:40,810 --> 01:40:38,520
form still and then in those oceans that

2277
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:40,820
form the plankton the phytoplankton that

2278
01:40:45,020 --> 01:40:44,010
began in there those those are the along

2279
01:40:48,620 --> 01:40:45,030
with plants for the main oxygen

2280
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:48,630
producers on the planet so they keep

2281
01:40:55,129 --> 01:40:51,659
that level of oxygen falsely and

2282
01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:55,139
artificially elevated way higher and if

2283
01:40:59,180 --> 01:40:57,300
they didn't do that then this planet

2284
01:41:00,919 --> 01:40:59,190
would that oxygen would of course leach

2285
01:41:02,959 --> 01:41:00,929
backed out into the soils it would you

2286
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:02,969
know oxidize many things and go into the

2287
01:41:08,390 --> 01:41:06,750
water and oxidize you know elements in

2288
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:08,400
the and the water and form all these

2289
01:41:12,350 --> 01:41:10,080
these other chemists know this other

2290
01:41:15,140 --> 01:41:12,360
chemistry and so the oxygen would

2291
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:15,150
eventually be depleted so I mean I gotta

2292
01:41:18,109 --> 01:41:17,130
throw a lasso on you because your rodeo

2293
01:41:21,859 --> 01:41:18,119
is my favorite sport

2294
01:41:23,149 --> 01:41:21,869
I know really yeah absolutely bull

2295
01:41:24,979 --> 01:41:23,159
riding I mean if you want to talk a

2296
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:24,989
sport that's the sport bull riding the

2297
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:28,500
rest of this stuff is a well the time

2298
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:30,210
now what that said now then another

2299
01:41:34,970 --> 01:41:32,310
facet of the jewel of commander cobra

2300
01:41:38,839 --> 01:41:34,980
has been revealed to the bat that's a

2301
01:41:39,890 --> 01:41:38,849
heck of a gem let me tell you I'm gonna

2302
01:41:41,919 --> 01:41:39,900
I'm gonna take it around the wheelhouse

2303
01:41:45,129 --> 01:41:41,929
all right

2304
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:45,139
do you believe in extraterrestrial life

2305
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:50,010
yes no yes yes Martin

2306
01:41:57,729 --> 01:41:55,050
uh that's a 10-4 yes okay CB talk that

2307
01:41:59,810 --> 01:41:57,739
means yes I don't know if you know that

2308
01:42:01,280 --> 01:41:59,820
if you were listening to the show you

2309
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:01,290
were to know we had our little CB

2310
01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:04,290
interlude when I was part of a you know

2311
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:06,420
Air Force program inadvertently frying

2312
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:10,020
CB radios on PI ten different story for

2313
01:42:12,740 --> 01:42:11,370
a different time kind of

2314
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:12,750
shush we don't want to talk about it

2315
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:15,770
cause phrasing maker 1-9 breaker 1-9

2316
01:42:23,630 --> 01:42:19,770
with that said yep back to you sir

2317
01:42:27,770 --> 01:42:23,640
do you believe we have been visited am I

2318
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:27,780
the sir yes oh yes okay I wasn't sure

2319
01:42:39,950 --> 01:42:32,730
you know um well um my feeling is that I

2320
01:42:42,980 --> 01:42:39,960
think that it's very possible okay well

2321
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:42,990
I think it's I think it's highly likely

2322
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,100
I I can't say for certain but I think

2323
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:49,440
it's highly likely it makes more sense

2324
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:53,690
in a lot of other a lot of other ideas

2325
01:42:58,010 --> 01:42:56,970
hypothesis of what what's going on okay

2326
01:43:00,200 --> 01:42:58,020
great

2327
01:43:02,450 --> 01:43:00,210
I'm definitely much more in the

2328
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:02,460
affirmative than the two of you there's

2329
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:05,430
no doubt in my mind about it but I have

2330
01:43:09,770 --> 01:43:07,110
nothing that I can point to that as the

2331
01:43:10,820 --> 01:43:09,780
definitive fact on that well that's how

2332
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:10,830
I feel too actually

2333
01:43:15,620 --> 01:43:13,710
I mean right do you mean dependent back

2334
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:15,630
to our my earlier part of this question

2335
01:43:23,290 --> 01:43:20,760
to kind of lead this up do you think

2336
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:23,300
this is the time period that we are

2337
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:26,850
going to in our lifetimes the remaining

2338
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:28,650
of our lifetimes if we have null

2339
01:43:32,900 --> 01:43:31,050
projections all those happy things I

2340
01:43:34,670 --> 01:43:32,910
expect my two guests are gonna have many

2341
01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:34,680
many more trips or complete trips around

2342
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:38,070
the Sun that's what I hope for do you

2343
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:39,090
think it's gonna happen if we're gonna

2344
01:43:42,850 --> 01:43:41,340
get the word that we're going to get the

2345
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:42,860
evidence

2346
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:45,060
everything from the day the the Earth

2347
01:43:49,670 --> 01:43:47,760
Stood Still kind of moment to finally

2348
01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:49,680
the the books will crack open in the

2349
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:51,630
files and yep we did have the meeting

2350
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:53,940
Eisenhower did sit down with the aliens

2351
01:44:00,890 --> 01:43:56,810
that did occur you know irrefutable

2352
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:00,900
written video proof do you think it's

2353
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:10,170
going to happen you want my answer no I

2354
01:44:20,300 --> 01:44:16,080
want to go first I think that it will

2355
01:44:22,340 --> 01:44:20,310
not happen and you need an explanation

2356
01:44:24,580 --> 01:44:22,350
because I'd be happy to talk in circle

2357
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,590
back Martin what do you think

2358
01:44:28,970 --> 01:44:27,360
you're basically so you're basically

2359
01:44:31,399 --> 01:44:28,980
asking the question that we're gonna

2360
01:44:33,819 --> 01:44:31,409
have disclosure is that is that we're

2361
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:33,829
gonna finally have the ear just

2362
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:36,449
unrefuted it's just going to be the

2363
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:38,610
evidence in any of those formats that I

2364
01:44:42,379 --> 01:44:40,650
put up you know the the vehicle finally

2365
01:44:45,649 --> 01:44:42,389
unmasked and it lands and it you know

2366
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:45,659
it's the the day the earth starts to

2367
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:48,780
still type scenario or you know the

2368
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:50,730
records that have been kept the programs

2369
01:44:56,030 --> 01:44:52,530
that have gone on the x-files kind of

2370
01:44:57,229 --> 01:44:56,040
thing that that's gone on occurs I don't

2371
01:44:59,000 --> 01:44:57,239
think that it's going to have anything

2372
01:45:03,470 --> 01:44:59,010
to do with our government like a lot of

2373
01:45:06,140 --> 01:45:03,480
people have bought into like and are

2374
01:45:08,959 --> 01:45:06,150
working hard like Steve Bassets job I

2375
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:08,969
brought him up a few times I don't think

2376
01:45:13,490 --> 01:45:10,050
that we're going to have government

2377
01:45:16,580 --> 01:45:13,500
disclosure that we have aliens visiting

2378
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:16,590
or have visited but I think that it may

2379
01:45:21,919 --> 01:45:20,699
reveal itself sooner or later I don't

2380
01:45:24,919 --> 01:45:21,929
know if it's going to be in my lifetime

2381
01:45:26,569 --> 01:45:24,929
or not so I think that's I think that

2382
01:45:29,780 --> 01:45:26,579
eventually that will happen it will

2383
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:29,790
reveal itself that they are here all

2384
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,380
right I got a question from the chat

2385
01:45:36,589 --> 01:45:32,639
room and I'm going to add a little bit

2386
01:45:39,260 --> 01:45:36,599
to it do both you think that human

2387
01:45:41,450 --> 01:45:39,270
beings are from Earth that they evolved

2388
01:45:42,950 --> 01:45:41,460
from the earth as a way out put it or do

2389
01:45:46,220 --> 01:45:42,960
you believe that we were planted here

2390
01:45:48,919 --> 01:45:46,230
seated or a combination where there's

2391
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:48,929
been some kind of alteration I'll take

2392
01:45:58,069 --> 01:45:55,260
this one oh well I've been communicating

2393
01:45:59,569 --> 01:45:58,079
with the police Spiegel and on this and

2394
01:46:02,330 --> 01:45:59,579
I wanted to bring this up when I was in

2395
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:02,340
high school I wrote an essay in English

2396
01:46:06,319 --> 01:46:04,530
and I actually got an a on it which was

2397
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:06,329
a really page right in the language

2398
01:46:11,959 --> 01:46:08,340
English or was it in English class which

2399
01:46:13,310 --> 01:46:11,969
was gone English both okay yeah good

2400
01:46:14,569 --> 01:46:13,320
mark was gonna ask I could see him just

2401
01:46:16,669 --> 01:46:14,579
he was getting ready to come right

2402
01:46:20,899 --> 01:46:16,679
through the screen no now he's gonna put

2403
01:46:23,629 --> 01:46:20,909
oh no not me so I basically said the

2404
01:46:26,209 --> 01:46:23,639
reason that there are so many different

2405
01:46:29,379 --> 01:46:26,219
races and they're so different around

2406
01:46:30,979 --> 01:46:29,389
the world is because we were seeded by

2407
01:46:33,919 --> 01:46:30,989
extraterrestrial I actually wrote that

2408
01:46:38,270 --> 01:46:33,929
in high school I forgot all about it

2409
01:46:40,730 --> 01:46:38,280
until I met a high

2410
01:46:44,270 --> 01:46:40,740
someone that allowed an insurance agent

2411
01:46:45,980 --> 01:46:44,280
of mine a broker who said that when he

2412
01:46:49,010 --> 01:46:45,990
was in Vietnam he actually worked in a

2413
01:46:51,740 --> 01:46:49,020
special special part of the Air Force

2414
01:46:55,370 --> 01:46:51,750
that studied UFOs and I remembered it

2415
01:46:56,780 --> 01:46:55,380
then because I said to him why are they

2416
01:46:59,060 --> 01:46:56,790
here and I said you know when I was in

2417
01:47:01,010 --> 01:46:59,070
high school I wrote this essay and I

2418
01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:01,020
told him that you know we were possibly

2419
01:47:05,450 --> 01:47:02,820
seeded different races to see how we'd

2420
01:47:07,700 --> 01:47:05,460
get along and he said that's kind of

2421
01:47:09,050 --> 01:47:07,710
what the this is what he said okay now I

2422
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:09,060
don't know I could never find him again

2423
01:47:13,100 --> 01:47:11,010
but he said that's kind of what the

2424
01:47:16,580 --> 01:47:13,110
government thinks is things that were

2425
01:47:18,590 --> 01:47:16,590
more like a petri dish and I think it

2426
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:18,600
was fascinating you know I mean whether

2427
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:21,480
it's true or not I think it is a

2428
01:47:25,610 --> 01:47:23,910
possibility definitely that we are an

2429
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:25,620
experiment and I've that's what Li

2430
01:47:29,180 --> 01:47:27,810
Spiegel just texted me more or less that

2431
01:47:31,970 --> 01:47:29,190
we're being watched to see how their

2432
01:47:34,120 --> 01:47:31,980
experiment goes I don't know Paul I

2433
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:34,130
wouldn't want it I would I sure hope

2434
01:47:38,420 --> 01:47:36,960
we're not disappointing them I know I

2435
01:47:40,610 --> 01:47:38,430
I'm pretty disappointed when I see yeah

2436
01:47:44,420 --> 01:47:40,620
mark the the question to you your answer

2437
01:47:46,370 --> 01:47:44,430
sir well my answer is kind of

2438
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:46,380
diametrically opposed I don't believe we

2439
01:47:52,030 --> 01:47:48,290
were seeded actually I think that we are

2440
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:52,040
I think that you know you don't have to

2441
01:47:58,010 --> 01:47:56,130
you don't have to jump to aliens to see

2442
01:48:00,530 --> 01:47:58,020
what we have here as a normal outcome

2443
01:48:03,170 --> 01:48:00,540
for the different environments the

2444
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:03,180
different continental you know

2445
01:48:07,940 --> 01:48:05,250
arrangements that different materials

2446
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:07,950
and and so forth different amounts of

2447
01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:11,010
sunlight I think that the thing that's

2448
01:48:19,580 --> 01:48:13,830
most important here is that all you have

2449
01:48:21,020 --> 01:48:19,590
to do is well lick your forearm do we

2450
01:48:22,910 --> 01:48:21,030
have to do this on camera okay here we

2451
01:48:25,400 --> 01:48:22,920
go hey you look your forearm okay yeah

2452
01:48:26,630 --> 01:48:25,410
what do you taste don't don't be funny

2453
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:26,640
now okay

2454
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:30,000
what's the thing about your body okay

2455
01:48:35,060 --> 01:48:32,850
your body is salty right right you have

2456
01:48:36,620 --> 01:48:35,070
a salinity in your body do you know

2457
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:36,630
where that comes from you know that

2458
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:39,210
salinity yes it's a vestigial ocean that

2459
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:41,010
we carry around in this organ we call

2460
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:43,050
the skin because we were once in the

2461
01:48:47,780 --> 01:48:44,850
ocean when we evolved out of the ocean

2462
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:47,790
we like turtles carried the water on our

2463
01:48:51,649 --> 01:48:49,590
back effectively except we called it you

2464
01:48:53,419 --> 01:48:51,659
know skin and

2465
01:48:55,549 --> 01:48:53,429
we carry that vestigial ocean around

2466
01:48:57,229 --> 01:48:55,559
with us every day and we have since

2467
01:49:01,339 --> 01:48:57,239
we've evolved out of the ocean that's

2468
01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:01,349
why that's why we have that salinity in

2469
01:49:09,049 --> 01:49:05,340
our skin all right now this is a this is

2470
01:49:12,020 --> 01:49:09,059
something that tells me that we evolved

2471
01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:12,030
here and I don't see any reason to to

2472
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,280
suggest aliens had some kind of hand in

2473
01:49:18,500 --> 01:49:16,320
it I think that the planet and the

2474
01:49:20,569 --> 01:49:18,510
life-forms here are more than capable of

2475
01:49:22,399 --> 01:49:20,579
evolving themselves look at some of the

2476
01:49:23,689 --> 01:49:22,409
other life-forms that have evolved in

2477
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:23,699
this planet that aren't human

2478
01:49:28,549 --> 01:49:26,010
but are animal some of these life-forms

2479
01:49:29,179 --> 01:49:28,559
have such an incredible evolutionary

2480
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:29,189
tree

2481
01:49:34,729 --> 01:49:32,280
well did nobody help them yet they went

2482
01:49:37,489 --> 01:49:34,739
through this unbelievable turn of events

2483
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:37,499
throughout their evolution and became

2484
01:49:43,609 --> 01:49:40,530
what they are all right and nothing

2485
01:49:44,839 --> 01:49:43,619
helped them along the way and that you'd

2486
01:49:47,659 --> 01:49:44,849
have to lump you'd have to literally

2487
01:49:49,489 --> 01:49:47,669
jump to say every bit of the life form

2488
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:49,499
so that every life form no matter what

2489
01:49:54,049 --> 01:49:52,530
it is in this planet was seeded and you

2490
01:49:56,029 --> 01:49:54,059
you'd have to say that there was all of

2491
01:49:58,069 --> 01:49:56,039
them or none of them you can't just say

2492
01:49:59,989 --> 01:49:58,079
it was humans because that falls down on

2493
01:50:02,689 --> 01:49:59,999
the fact that we have this ocean within

2494
01:50:04,640 --> 01:50:02,699
us that we carry you know so you would

2495
01:50:07,580 --> 01:50:04,650
have to have seeded life on this planet

2496
01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:07,590
when there was just oh Sh ins on the

2497
01:50:12,739 --> 01:50:10,409
planet and I can't answer whether that

2498
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:12,749
happened or not but I just know that

2499
01:50:18,259 --> 01:50:14,639
evolution has its own course that it

2500
01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:18,269
follows not every destination in

2501
01:50:22,580 --> 01:50:19,860
evolution is intelligence as we

2502
01:50:25,580 --> 01:50:22,590
obviously know well I'm driven on any

2503
01:50:28,879 --> 01:50:25,590
major road as of late or been on public

2504
01:50:31,279 --> 01:50:28,889
transportation brother that statement

2505
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,289
there doctor there's that there's that

2506
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:33,840
but my that's my point okay then you

2507
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,239
know we don't need to leap to aliens and

2508
01:50:39,439 --> 01:50:37,679
I believe that aliens exist I believe

2509
01:50:41,060 --> 01:50:39,449
that there's alien life and fact I

2510
01:50:43,189 --> 01:50:41,070
believe they might even be here you know

2511
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:43,199
wait like I said we're only five

2512
01:50:47,299 --> 01:50:44,639
thousand years into our written history

2513
01:50:49,879 --> 01:50:47,309
or so and you know again not counting

2514
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:49,889
pictographs and petroglyphs and from

2515
01:50:55,069 --> 01:50:52,800
that position we can already see that we

2516
01:50:56,779 --> 01:50:55,079
can defeat that Lightspeed barrier you

2517
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,789
know with some technology that that's a

2518
01:51:01,729 --> 01:50:58,400
little bit over our horizon right now

2519
01:51:03,819 --> 01:51:01,739
but because it's so favorable now

2520
01:51:05,569 --> 01:51:03,829
because it's come such a long way

2521
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:05,579
there's

2522
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:08,130
sunny white at NASA is investigating

2523
01:51:13,669 --> 01:51:11,130
this Froning Alcubierre drive which is

2524
01:51:15,379 --> 01:51:13,679
the warp drive right and and they've got

2525
01:51:16,939 --> 01:51:15,389
a funded lab to study this there's

2526
01:51:18,229 --> 01:51:16,949
there's a reason for that it's not

2527
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:18,239
because they just want to play around

2528
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:19,440
with this cool little thing that could

2529
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:21,480
never happen they're playing around with

2530
01:51:25,010 --> 01:51:22,800
this because they think it's actually

2531
01:51:26,899 --> 01:51:25,020
the weight of the stars and that's it

2532
01:51:29,149 --> 01:51:26,909
with a civilization that's basically

2533
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,159
five thousand you know five thousand

2534
01:51:33,620 --> 01:51:31,199
years old in its written history okay so

2535
01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:33,630
we've got a we make some really good

2536
01:51:36,319 --> 01:51:35,190
leaps and then we sometimes will

2537
01:51:38,569 --> 01:51:36,329
stagnate for a while then we make some

2538
01:51:40,280 --> 01:51:38,579
more leaps you know and the whole

2539
01:51:41,810 --> 01:51:40,290
question of reaching a certain you know

2540
01:51:43,459 --> 01:51:41,820
a point where it's a singularity where

2541
01:51:45,379 --> 01:51:43,469
we can't depend on humans anymore we

2542
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:45,389
have to go to machines to do something

2543
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:47,610
for us to take us that next step that's

2544
01:51:51,799 --> 01:51:49,530
certainly on its way and we've also

2545
01:51:53,450 --> 01:51:51,809
faced that already a few times so you

2546
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:53,460
know we're already facing down these

2547
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,530
these problems that some advanced

2548
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:58,320
species have have and we're doing this

2549
01:52:03,799 --> 01:52:00,780
on our terms and we're actually able to

2550
01:52:06,260 --> 01:52:03,809
do it you know so far so I'm convinced

2551
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:06,270
that we weren't seated I'm convinced

2552
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:09,000
that we're gonna find the technology to

2553
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:11,130
go other stars just as another race

2554
01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:14,070
probably did because we came along 4.6

2555
01:52:18,799 --> 01:52:14,760
billion years ago

2556
01:52:20,540 --> 01:52:18,809
well the galaxy was here you know the

2557
01:52:23,839 --> 01:52:20,550
universe rather was here over nine

2558
01:52:25,879 --> 01:52:23,849
billion years before that so we know

2559
01:52:28,910 --> 01:52:25,889
that there are planets out there that

2560
01:52:33,140 --> 01:52:28,920
are literally over 12 billion years old

2561
01:52:35,299 --> 01:52:33,150
planets are we found so that that tells

2562
01:52:36,740 --> 01:52:35,309
me that life existed from early early in

2563
01:52:39,740 --> 01:52:36,750
the universe our life could have existed

2564
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:39,750
from early on in the universe and who

2565
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:42,960
knows how far they developed see when

2566
01:52:46,850 --> 01:52:44,250
you really know how to burst a bubble

2567
01:52:48,799 --> 01:52:46,860
don't you I'm not trying to burst a

2568
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:48,809
bubble I know I'm just I'm just giving

2569
01:52:52,580 --> 01:52:50,730
you a hard time just well you know I

2570
01:52:56,510 --> 01:52:52,590
told commander the Lucas forum if you

2571
01:52:58,819 --> 01:52:56,520
want you can lick your armpit he came

2572
01:53:00,830 --> 01:52:58,829
with a helmet on though you know he's ya

2573
01:53:04,069 --> 01:53:00,840
know he was directing that to you Martin

2574
01:53:06,890 --> 01:53:04,079
oh I stopped at the forearm there's no

2575
01:53:08,330 --> 01:53:06,900
reason to prove how flexible I am but I

2576
01:53:10,819 --> 01:53:08,340
could get my head in the helmet to my

2577
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:10,829
armpit if I had to know it's not gonna

2578
01:53:12,919 --> 01:53:11,489
happen tonight

2579
01:53:15,140 --> 01:53:12,929
so much too much information here I

2580
01:53:19,100 --> 01:53:15,150
don't need that well you're the one that

2581
01:53:21,590 --> 01:53:19,110
started I'm okay I'm

2582
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:21,600
and yes he's talking to us from

2583
01:53:26,150 --> 01:53:24,090
Connecticut with this attitude yeah this

2584
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:26,160
is exact course yeah they always do that

2585
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:29,730
nice Manor yeah that's exactly what I'm

2586
01:53:34,790 --> 01:53:31,860
talking about yeah are you kidding me

2587
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:34,800
I'm uh I used to go to poor Clyde Maine

2588
01:53:38,780 --> 01:53:37,110
every summer for for the summer because

2589
01:53:41,480 --> 01:53:38,790
that's where my family was the entire

2590
01:53:43,370 --> 01:53:41,490
town of Port Authority relative yeah yep

2591
01:53:46,130 --> 01:53:43,380
I remember you told ya right and now

2592
01:53:48,370 --> 01:53:46,140
they're taking over by l.l.bean my

2593
01:53:51,530 --> 01:53:48,380
cousin's general store was bought by

2594
01:53:54,620 --> 01:53:51,540
beans something or other some woman

2595
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:54,630
there forget a first name and then we're

2596
01:53:57,620 --> 01:53:56,010
not going to discuss bean because

2597
01:54:00,320 --> 01:53:57,630
they're not contributing to the

2598
01:54:01,370 --> 01:54:00,330
capitalistic side of this enterprise

2599
01:54:04,420 --> 01:54:01,380
anymore

2600
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:04,430
oh so that's that's it all right

2601
01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:06,690
gentlemen we're down to our last two

2602
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,280
minutes marks gonna be rolling and

2603
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:10,320
getting ready for his show so let's

2604
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:13,410
let's round the the wheel here Martin

2605
01:54:17,690 --> 01:54:14,970
obviously I'm gonna have to get you on

2606
01:54:20,630 --> 01:54:17,700
again this was way too fast it was a lot

2607
01:54:24,230 --> 01:54:20,640
of fun and I really enjoyed your Martin

2608
01:54:25,730 --> 01:54:24,240
flip the tables on me like you mark you

2609
01:54:28,610 --> 01:54:25,740
know put questions to me it had me

2610
01:54:32,750 --> 01:54:28,620
answer stuff so old habits die hard

2611
01:54:34,940 --> 01:54:32,760
yeah he's got he reminds me of those

2612
01:54:37,850 --> 01:54:34,950
guys to Stassi when East Germany was

2613
01:54:38,930 --> 01:54:37,860
East Germany yeah well you know he's got

2614
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:38,940
a great interview style though

2615
01:54:43,580 --> 01:54:41,010
nonetheless okay he's not quite as bad

2616
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:43,590
okay is them for sure yeah he's actually

2617
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:45,450
quite good though he smiles all like the

2618
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:47,010
Stasi guys at the gates when these

2619
01:54:53,450 --> 01:54:50,970
across in there oh you have cigarettes

2620
01:54:56,780 --> 01:54:53,460
yes yes I have cigarettes do you may go

2621
01:54:58,730 --> 01:54:56,790
then your papers they're not in order

2622
01:55:00,680 --> 01:54:58,740
speaking of papers being in order we

2623
01:55:02,510 --> 01:55:00,690
were joined by Mark Dantonio who's gonna

2624
01:55:04,430 --> 01:55:02,520
have his show coming up sky tour will be

2625
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:04,440
on right after this show is going

2626
01:55:08,060 --> 01:55:06,480
fantastic you both have great shows I

2627
01:55:10,190 --> 01:55:08,070
hope the folks that when they're not

2628
01:55:13,610 --> 01:55:10,200
here at Task Force Griffin are taking

2629
01:55:15,650 --> 01:55:13,620
advantage of the podcast and doing some

2630
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:15,660
live with you both I thank you both for

2631
01:55:23,300 --> 01:55:20,730
being guests tonight thank you it's do

2632
01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:23,310
this again good to see moving in as ex

2633
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:24,840
lady likes to put it another three way

2634
01:55:28,070 --> 01:55:26,370
I'm not sure what she's talking about

2635
01:55:32,259 --> 01:55:28,080
but she seemed to be pretty happy with

2636
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:37,149
once again I salute thank you very much

2637
01:55:41,290 --> 01:55:39,679
it's been a wonderful show with both you

2638
01:55:43,479 --> 01:55:41,300
and to the greatest audience on the